My Thoughts on Back to the Cul-de-Sac (1997)

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I thought I had started a thread about the miniseries somewhere, but I couldn't find it. If I have and someone finds it, link it here and we can get an admin to hopefully merge the discussions together.

I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC today and tonight. It was a rainy day, so I figured why not? Why not pop in my DVD and see what the KNOTS crew were up to?

I'm going to discuss the miniseries randomly, mentioning actors, characters, and plotlines. So, here's the spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't watched it yet and doesn't want anything ruined.

First, it was good seeing the core cast back together. I'll applaud everyone for sliding right back into their characters nicely. They all seemed to practically pick up right where they left off with the series finale back in 1993.

The miniseries played like a little story arc from the later seasons of the show, which isn't a bad thing.

Karen and Mack are celebrating their 15th wedding anniversary when the miniseries starts off. Valene's thrown them a party, and Abby's surprising them with a gift for herself --- she's bought a house in Malibu (which Gary so graciously remembers being a favorite place of his ex-wife's), and therefore will be moving out of the cul-de-sac. Karen and Valene make some quips and toss around a few looks, cheekily letting the audience and Abby know she will not necessarily be missed. Too bad for the Abster, though, when the IRS pops in a couple of days later and informs her that her assets are frozen. Her house and furnishings are taken and this forces her into Mack and Karen's house because, as you know, they're "family" because of Sid Fairgate.

Valene's book "Hostage" has become a bestseller, and a producer has recruiter her to pen a screenplay with a hot shot Oscar nominated writer named Clay McKinney. Naturally, Clay turns out to be an alcoholic who tries to woo Valene into his bedroom. She declines all his advances, and is saddened when he takes the credit for her work --- a "twist" I saw coming from a mile away. Such a story tactic is commonplace for plots concerning writers in TV shows and movies. Oh, and Valene becomes a suspect in Clay's death when he is found dead in his swimming pool. It all melts away, however, when Valene tells the police the truth about the last time she saw Clay.

That's not the only thing to throw Gary and Valene's marriage a curve ball, though. Kate comes back to Knots Landing and brings her daughter Molly with her (the name immediately reminds of Kenny and Ginger's daughter "Erin Molly" from Season 4). Drama ensues as Kate reveals little Molly was fathered by Gary back when she and he had a little fling while Valene was believed dead. There's tension drawn from Gary deciding what to do and Valene learning about it before Gary tells her, but it all sort of fades away as Kate has entered a relationship with Abby's now-grown son Brian.

Karen and Mack's marriage also hits some rough patches as Mack apparently goes through a mid-life crisis. He has problems at work, which are only worsened by Meg's desire to know who her biological parents are.

Abby's back up to her old tricks. She needs money to pay back taxes to the IRS and begs Gary and Sumner for a job. They both hire her --- Gary as Karen's assistant, and Sumner as a snoop to get information he needs to get out of a lawsuit brought upon him by Mack (there's an ongoing plot where Mack's suing Sumner for closing down a warehouse and putting multiple people out of work).

And there's Greg getting tangled up with some business in Thailand. He's still power-hungry, and he's got some big tricks up his sleeve. He gets bored with it all, however, and eventually hands the scheme over to Abby.

Let's get to point:

I didn't really like the miniseries. The Season 14 finale hadn't left any questions unanswered, so bringing forth a reunion so quickly was not necessarily warranted. CBS only green-lit BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC once JR RETURNS raked in some big ratings in 1996. When the KNOTS underperformed based on their expectations, further reunions were scrapped.

Stories vary, but at least some of the KNOTS cast were "pressured" to return for the miniseries in 1997. Donna Mills has spoken how she hadn't wanted to come back, while I'd be willing to bet the likes of Michele Lee and Joan Van Ark were perhaps more quickly to agree to returning to their cash cow. Considering Michelle Phillips' Anne Matheson Sumner hasn't any story in the miniseries, I'd be willing to bet Phillips volunteered her services without the producers necessarily wanting her back. All Anne does in the miniseries is make sarcastic remarks to Abby and Greg. Oh, and she's developed psychic powers apparently. But that doesn't go anywhere outside of some humorous remarks about her "powers" made by Greg.

Nicollette Sheridan only agreed to do a cameo, and she's gone before the credits roll at the beginning of Part 1. She's finally fed up with Sumner not wanting any kids, and she leaves both him and Knots Landing.

I must say I don't really like any of the storylines presented in the miniseries. I don't like how both the core couples --- Karen & Mack and Gary & Valene --- are thrown into a crisis. Karen & Mack's issues seem like a rehash of what we got in Season 13 and 14 when he gets all caught up in the Mary Robeson mess. And the thing about Meg wanting to know her real parents gets a little tiresome, although I do like how they do a call-back to Laura's farewell videotape (even though Constance McCashin refused to allow her voice or image be used, leaving the voice to be that of a sound-alike actress).

What I do like is how many cameos we get. I was excited to see both Claudia Lonow and Patrick Petersen pop up, although much isn't done with their stories; poor Diana is seen at Karen and Mack's anniversary celebration and then not seen again. I also liked seeing Tonya Crowe back as Olivia, but her screen time was limited to the anniversary celebration as well. Brian Austin Green is back as the maturing Brian Cunningham, Abby's good-looking son that's developed a romance with Kate and become a father to her daughter Molly. I liked Green being there, but his scenes with Kate read like discarded 90210 plotlines.

I was most excited to see Kim Lankford back as Ginger Ward, a neighbor who lived on the cul-de-sac in the first four seasons. I know she was just there for an in and out cameo, but I would've liked it had she moved back to Knots Landing and been apart of the reunion in a significant plot. But that's just wishful thinking on my part.

I'm not disappointed I watched BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC, but it's safe to safe I won't revisit it any time soon. It was basically pointless and mostly underwhelming, even though it pays homage to the fans and commodore among the characters we've all come to enjoy.

BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC does some meta-like references, too. When Valene goes to the movie studio for the first time, the woman she mistakes for Stefanie Powers is said to be Michele Lee by the guard (the woman isn't seen though). There's also an instance where Mack is flipping the channels on the TV. One channel plays the final few bars of the KNOTS theme as the Lorimar end credits logo is shown on the screen. I thought both references were cute.

I must say that I liked how the miniseries ends with a sense of humor. Michael and Laurie arrive to tell Karen they're pregnant, which Abby finds funny. The tables turn on her, however, when Brian and Kate tell Abby they're pregnant. The final shot is of Abby and Karen stunned and smiling, respectively, as they respond to the news of becoming grandmas.

What's your thoughts?

What did and didn't you like?

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they did all the mistake with the reunion.michael Olivia and Brian should had bigger part .anne and Kate were unneeded.the main focus should been the return of Ben from South Africa and how it would effect Val and Gary and mack and summer who were tie to him too.this what they should done on season 13 on 1992 and missed it too.also I would bring back Ted Melcher the pr man who was in alliance with Abby and betrayed Greg. he was great character too
 

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During the period of time they were batting around concepts for a reunion (around 1995 and 1996), I recall someone suggested that instead of a mini-series format, they ought to have produced a six-episode "midseason replacement," a self-contained series that would be inserted into CBS's schedule when/if they cancelled one of their new fall shows. I liked the idea of hour-long episodes once per week (like the old days) rather than a TV-movie format. The format they ultimately chose---two, two-hour blocks---seems to encourage writers to write too many subplots, attempt to "do too much" in the longer allotted time. In a weekly format, they could set up fewer plots and spend a few minutes of each successive episode doing recap/exposition in case the viewer missed the previous episode. Instead, it felt like the first hour of the four was spent setting up a myriad of plots, and when picking up the second half they had no time for exposition because they had to focus on unravelling all those stories they's set up. It also left no time to "ruminate" over what was happening, something a weekly format would have allowed in the six days we'd wait for the next episode. Instead of a "journey" with the characters, it was more of a rollercoaster ride.
 

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The Season 14 finale hadn't left any questions unanswered,

the main focus should been the return of Ben
There were two major unresolved issues at the end of the series: Meg not knowing that Greg was her father, and the fate of Ben.
I was pleased to see the first settled in BTTCDS but I thought Greg's newfound relationship with his daughter would prompt him to change his mind about more kids and go searching for Paige and was disappointed when that didn't happen.
 

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There were two major unresolved issues at the end of the series: Meg not knowing that Greg was her father
That is true, even though I was sure they'd never settle this situation entirely. I was surprised that they addressed it in the reunion, and I'd say they handled quite effectively. I've always liked Greg and Meg's scenes anyway.

the fate of Ben
Honestly, I've never been to compelled to know what happened to Ben. I wouldn't have objected to KNOTS diving into his whereabouts, but it wasn't something that clawed in my head.

During the period of time they were batting around concepts for a reunion (around 1995 and 1996), I recall someone suggested that instead of a mini-series format, they ought to have produced a six-episode "midseason replacement," a self-contained series that would be inserted into CBS's schedule when/if they cancelled one of their new fall shows. I liked the idea of hour-long episodes once per week (like the old days) rather than a TV-movie format. The format they ultimately chose---two, two-hour blocks---seems to encourage writers to write too many subplots, attempt to "do too much" in the longer allotted time. In a weekly format, they could set up fewer plots and spend a few minutes of each successive episode doing recap/exposition in case the viewer missed the previous episode. Instead, it felt like the first hour of the four was spent setting up a myriad of plots, and when picking up the second half they had no time for exposition because they had to focus on unravelling all those stories they's set up. It also left no time to "ruminate" over what was happening, something a weekly format would have allowed in the six days we'd wait for the next episode. Instead of a "journey" with the characters, it was more of a rollercoaster ride.
A little miniseries might've worked better. What we got was proposed storylines and their outcomes. There really wasn't too much "evolving" of the plots. The most interesting thing about the miniseries (especially back in 1997) was seeing the cast back together. For us bringing it, the reunion could be pretty much be skipped.
 

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I thought the first half of the miniseries worked fine, but the second half largely dragged aside from a few choice moments, such as the final scene. I admit to actually watching the miniseries before tackling Season 14, because I was already let down hard by Season 13 (unpopular to say but seasons 10, 11, and 12 are extremely high-quality TV and I was horrified by what happened in the first half of Season 13), and, knowing in advance many of the plot points of the final season and also that season 14 is generally much better regarded than the miniseries, I decided to get that miniseries out of the way so that the show could go out on a high note.
 

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Funny thing, I had this idea about starting a discussion about BTTCDS, I couldn't really find anything about it... I recall being so thrilled when I read about the miniseries being shot in some TV magazine... then it aired... what a disappointment!

I think the storylines are a bit (a lot?) boring, but above all, what made the miniseries so uninteresting, I really think it is the directing from Bill Corcoran...
It is soooo quiet, absolutely no sparks at all, soooo Sunday afternoon TV movie style, the kind of stuff you watch with one eye on something else on a rainy day...

It is obvious even the cast does not believe in it, the only one that seems to enjoy her storyline is JVA...
I remember reading an interview of William Devane on knotslanding.net, he thinks the entire thing was a mistake...

Actually here's some extracts of it:
"Devane: ... But Constance was really freaked out about it all. And that in turn ruined the reunion when she wouldn’t let her voice be used. What a disaster that movie was.
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AS: Is that why the reunion was bad then?
Devane: Oh no, that’s only one of the things. It was written by someone who didn’t have anything to do with Knots Landing. They did a shitty job. If they had put their nose to the grindstone they could have done a movie like that every two or three years."

"What a disaster that movie was + They did a shitty job"... I couldn't agree more...
 
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Anyone know where I can watch this?
I don't believe it's streaming anywhere at the moment.

Donna Mills said it was "too soon" after the series ended.
I tend to agree. It was four years after the 1993 series finale. I like the thought of waiting until 1999 for the twentieth anniversary of the first episode, or perhaps even a couple of years later.
 

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Excellent review. I’ve only watched this once, and frankly that was enough. I don’t have a copy of it but I don’t even regret that, and I’m a completist so that’s saying something.

I got everything I needed from the reunion in the first twenty minutes. Everything after that was really dull.

It’s not a part of my head canon. For me “Just Like Old Times” stands as the last time we’ve seen these characters.

It is obvious even the cast does not believe in it, the only one that seems to enjoy her storyline is JVA...
Perhaps that is the problem. The reason Knots Landing never jumped the shark is that you could tell that everyone involved was really dedicated to putting out a quality product — even when the storylines didn’t work, the actors tried really hard to *make* them work. In BTTCDS, it just doesn’t feel that way. You can tell the actors’ hearts just aren’t in it, so they can’t save the subpar material like they could during the original series.
 

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Donna Mills said it was "too soon" after the series ended.
I don’t think I agree with her. I think about 5 years is the perfect timing. Longer than that, and people have forgotten about the show. Shorter than that, and people haven’t had enough time to miss the show.

It wasn't too soon. It was just not good.

Dynasty’s was too soon though. And that one I’ve actually never seen, though I doubt I’m missing anything.
 

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I don’t think I agree with her. I think about 5 years is the perfect timing. Longer than that, and people have forgotten about the show. Shorter than that, and people haven’t had enough time to miss the show.
I see what you're saying, but I still tend to side with BACK TO THE CUL-DE-SAC being done too soon after the original series had ended.


It wasn't too soon. It was just not good.
Here, I agree. The reunion wasn't very good.


Dynasty’s was too soon though. And that one I’ve actually never seen, though I doubt I’m missing anything.
I finished my binge of DYNASTY a few years back, and I've yet to watch THE REUNION that aired just two years after the show ended.
 

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Part of the motivation for the Dynasty reunion had to do with how the show had ended. Unlike KL, where an effort was made to tie up loose ends, Dynasty had multiple, high-stakes cliffhangers that had been left unresolved. Dynasty fans were clamoring for answers to their questions, while KL fans had gotten theirs in the finale.
 

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Part of the motivation for the Dynasty reunion had to do with how the show had ended. Unlike KL, where an effort was made to tie up loose ends, Dynasty had multiple, high-stakes cliffhangers that had been left unresolved. Dynasty fans were clamoring for answers to their questions, while KL fans had gotten theirs in the finale.
True. DYNASTY was left on multiple cliffhangers, and I would've loved to have seen how David Paulsen might've ended things had he been given a Season 10 to do just that. Even as bad as DYNASTY got and how low its ratings fell, I still think it was cancelled prematurely. It had just gotten very good again, and it's devoted fans desired a good sendoff.

Which, I guess, is why the Shapiros got together and thought THE REUNION was a good idea. Joan Collins said it was "terrible", and Linda Evans apparently had to go watch old episodes to remember how to play Krystle.

Yet, I still haven't watched the 1991 miniseries, which some evidently thought might've geared DYNASTY up "for another possible run".
 

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Dynasty’s was too soon though. And that one I’ve actually never seen, though I doubt I’m missing anything.

Part of the motivation for the Dynasty reunion had to do with how the show had ended. Unlike KL, where an effort was made to tie up loose ends, Dynasty had multiple, high-stakes cliffhangers that had been left unresolved. Dynasty fans were clamoring for answers to their questions, while KL fans had gotten theirs in the finale.
Agreed. For Dynasty it was more like a delayed finale than a reunion. You could say the same about JR Returns.
 

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Too bad that hag ANN is in it!

NO Paige?

I'm in!
I liked Anne on the show, but she wasn't needed in the reunion at all, just as Claudia and Kate weren't needed. My only guess has to be that Michelle Phillips volunteered her services when she heard about the reunion, and that Stacy Galina was included solely to stir up trouble for Gary and Valene.
 
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