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<blockquote data-quote="James from London" data-source="post: 119722" data-attributes="member: 22"><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Garry Hobbs: Ibiza 1989, first time I ever had sex down on the beach.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Grant: I knew this Spanish bird once.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Phil: Maria?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Grant: What — did I tell you about her?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Phil: No, but they're all called Maria, aren't they?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Grant: She was something else. Couldn't keep her hands off me.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">David Wicks: I went out with a Spanish girl once and she taught me [the language].</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Bianca: How many times you been to Spain then?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">David: A few.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">David: I went to Spain once for a fortnight. I come back three months later, and that was under protest. (I never really.)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Nigel Bates: I went to Majorca once. That was romantic. At least it would have been if I hadn't gone on my own.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Grant: You ever seen a bullfight? I have. I remember this one — there was this bull, mad great thing it was. This bullfighter, he just danced rings around it till, bit by bit, all the life was drained out of it. You see, this bull thought it was a fair fight, thought he could win, get away, but he couldn't. Didn't stand a chance.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Eddie Moon: I got chased by a randy bull across a field once.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Tanya Branning on living in Spain: It’s always been a dream of mine.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Dennis Rickman: I've never been on a proper holiday.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Sharon Watts: What about when you were in the children's home — didn't you go away with them?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Dennis: No, but there was a summer school soccer trip thing, you know. I put my name down, thought it would be good.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Sharon: Was it?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Dennis: I don't know. They sent me home after the first day. Some bother about me flooding the toilets.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Sonia Jackson: I remember once I was with my mum and my brothers and sister. We built this fantastic castle. Of course the tide started to come in, didn’t it? So I tried to dig a channel, kind of divert the water, but it just kept coming faster and faster. I was trying to keep everything together. There was nothing I could do. Everything I’d built up and worked so hard for, it was just ... There was nothing I could do.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p>Denise Fox: You meet Owen for the first time and he’s charming, he’s polite, he’s kind. He’s the perfect gentleman — but they wouldn’t be thinking that when he’s bashing my head against the bathroom wall, would they?</p><p></p><p>Liz Turner, Owen’s mother: He’s very bright. That’s the problem. Gets bored easily. That’s what got him into drinking in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Owen Turner: Mum’s got photos of us in ’89 and I look so strong and lean. You remember that summer?</p><p>Denise: Yeah, oh yeah — my "bad mum" phase. Chelsea spent half her life at me sister’s.</p><p>Owen on Chelsea: She got spoilt rotten. She loved it.</p><p></p><p>Kim Fox to Denise: Remember all the times I looked after Chelsea when you were out raving with Owen?</p><p></p><p>Denise: I was a good girl. You led me astray.</p><p>Owen: Didn’t take much persuading. Second summer of love, eh? All them raves. Sitting in lay-bys with stereos on, hundreds of us waiting for the next party. Mum’s still got all the photos. We’re laughing, messing about in all of them, eh? You remember?</p><p>Denise: They were good times.</p><p></p><p>Owen to Denise: August dawn, dancing barefoot in the grass, sharing our last fag together. You had something in you back then. You had something, you had, like a sparkle.</p><p></p><p>Denise on herself and Owen: Oh, we was wild back then, out all the time, rampant. He had this spell over me. He spoke and I crumbled.</p><p></p><p>Denise: You don’t know what [Owen] was like, not really, not at the beginning.</p><p>Chelsea: You’ve told me — he was exciting, he made you feel special. I get it.</p><p>Denise: There’s more to it than that.</p><p></p><p>Denise: Me and Owen, we had something special.</p><p></p><p>Owen Turner to Denise: What we had, Dee, was special, weren’t it?</p><p></p><p>Denise: You were an angel once, Owen. You could melt me with one look or one smile and I loved that.</p><p></p><p>Owen to Denise: “Snap her up quick, Owen. She could do a lot better.” That’s what Mum said about you.</p><p></p><p>Owen: We were outsiders that summer and the next thing you know, everyone’s walking about, suit and a tie on, as if nothing ever happened.</p><p>Denise: It was a party, Owen, not a revolution.</p><p>Owen: I never said it was.</p><p></p><p>Owen: We just lived day by day. All we needed was money for bills, a few bob for drinks.</p><p>Denise: Yeah, drinks!</p><p>Owen: You were caning it like the rest of us. Right or wrong, I’ve always been me, but you, that beautiful girl I met all those years ago with the sexy little dresses and the smile as wide as a river, where did she go?</p><p></p><p>Owen on Denise: She always did like things done right.</p><p></p><p>Owen: You’d stopped smiling by the following summer.</p><p>Denise: Well, I was pregnant the following summer.</p><p></p><p>Ronnie: A boy?</p><p>Glenda: Ten pounds. You can imagine what it was like getting him out.</p><p>Ronnie: Was he healthy?</p><p>Glenda: Yeah, he was fine.</p><p>Ronnie: When was he born?</p><p>Glenda: September the twelfth, Homerton Hospital. And it was raining.</p><p>Ronnie: I haven’t asked his name.</p><p>Glenda: Daniel, after my uncle. Lovely man. I thought if I named my boy after him, he wouldn’t grow up like his father.</p><p></p><p>Glenda on Danny: Archie is not his father.</p><p></p><p>Roxy: What is [your middle name]?</p><p>Danny Mitchell: Archie.</p><p></p><p>Roxy on Danny: If he’s not Archie’s son, then why did you give him Archie’s name, his middle name — Archie?</p><p>Glenda: His middle name is Nicholas!</p><p></p><p>Glenda on her son Danny: Bad as his dad, right from the start. Even in his high chair you could see him scheming, planning how he was going to get what he wanted.</p><p></p><p>Glenda to Danny: You always have been a good boy.</p><p></p><p>Glenda: I had no money, I had a tiny baby. I had to make a new life.</p><p></p><p>Shirley Carter on her children: We used to be happy once, a long time ago before I ruined it.</p><p></p><p>Denise to Shirley: That video that Kevin took of you and the kids in the garden. You were happy. OK, it may not have lasted long, but you were a mum to those kids and they loved you for it.</p><p></p><p>Shirley to Dean: You always wanted your mum when you were ill. Eighteen months old, you had gastroenteritis. Couldn’t keep a thing down. I sat up</p><p>all night reading you nursery rhymes, even when I got it. Sang “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star” for days. Drove me barmy. It’s the only thing that would get you to sleep.</p><p></p><p>Shirley to Dean: You used to have [a jack-in-a-box]. There was blue murder when Carly cut the head off of it.</p><p></p><p>Shirley: I took Carly on [a fairground ride on Brighton Pier] when she was six. She said it wasn’t high enough.</p><p></p><p>Shirley on Dean: I remember taking him to the fair and all he wanted to do was go on this little teacup ride that went round about a mile an hour, but he’d cling onto me like it was doing sixty. He was so sweet.</p><p></p><p>Ronnie to Roxy: You never could resist a funfair.</p><p></p><p>Jean Slater: I’ve never been worried about heights.</p><p></p><p>Heather Trott: I was never much of a one for heights.</p><p></p><p>Shirley: You probably hardly remember [Heather].</p><p>Dean: She’s not the kind of person you forget. She loved cheese, George Michael. Half the time she dressed like she was from the eighties and the other half the time she looked like she got dressed in the dark.</p><p>Shirley: And I treated her like dirt.</p><p>Dean: She knew that you didn’t mean it. She knew that you were always there for her. </p><p></p><p>Linda on Dean: We’d met him once or twice when he was a kid, but we didn’t know him.</p><p></p><p>Linda: Kevin always struck me as a good bloke.</p><p>Dean: He was.</p><p></p><p>Dean on Pat: She used to visit me as a baby.</p><p></p><p>Roxy on Grant: I haven't seen him for years.</p><p></p><p>Mick: Did you ever play [Heather] our karaoke song [‘The Lion Sleeps Tonight’]?</p><p>Shirley: I made her do the dance!</p><p></p><p>Nigel Bates on karaoke: I have been known to do a wicked ‘Achy Breaky Heart’. The birds love it. Someone threw a bottle at me once. Missed me completely, landed on this table of skinheads. Took four police vans to cart them all away. Haven't been back there since.</p><p></p><p>Kat Slater to Zoe: Your first day at school, I wanted to take you so I got up at half six in the morning. I was getting you ready and you said, "What's going on? Where's Mum?" That's when I told you. I said, "She's here, darling. I'm your mum." You just laughed and held your arms for Dad who was standing in the doorway. Then Mum dragged me in the kitchen and said I shouldn't make jokes. Jokes? I was crying.</p><p></p><p>Bianca: Tiffany Raymond, she used to go to our school.</p><p>Robbie Jackson: She used to fancy me.</p><p></p><p>Terry Raymond on Tiffany: Always made friends when she was a kid. Couldn't help it. Every week she'd bring somebody or other home for tea. Not like me. Got it from her mother probably. Everybody reckons I gave her hell, made her life miserable. It doesn't mean I didn't love her because I did.</p><p></p><p>Chris Clarke: What did your dad used to do with you when you were a kid?</p><p>Simon Raymond: Hit me.</p><p>Chris: Come on, I've heard you go on about how wonderful everything was when you lived out in Essex.</p><p>Simon: That's when Mum was living with us. At least she understood me.</p><p></p><p>Terry: I used to have money, a wife. I used to be someone.</p><p>Grant: Until you blew it.</p><p>Terry: I never done nothing. One minute I was sailing along and then fate turned against me.</p><p></p><p>Simon: My old man lurched from one disaster to the next.</p><p></p><p>Terry: Things weren't right for a long time between me and Louise. I was in a hole. I couldn't see my way out. Just seemed like there was no respect anymore. My own family were laughing at me, that's what it seemed like.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany Raymond: I ain't going to be like my mum, taking a beating on a Saturday night.</p><p>Grant: Terry used to hit her?</p><p>Tiffany: Yeah and if he didn't hit her, he used to hit me. My dad wasn't a very nice man.</p><p></p><p>Louise Raymond on Terry: He used me as a punchbag.</p><p></p><p>Simon on Terry: He broke Mum's nose once.</p><p></p><p>Terry: I've got a failed marriage, a failed business, I failed my kids, I hit the bottle.</p><p></p><p>Grant: You do stupid things when you're upset.</p><p>Louise: That was always Terry's excuse.</p><p></p><p>Louise: Terry used to say he loved me, but it didn't stop him [hitting me].</p><p></p><p>Terry on Louise: She was poison. You don't know what she was like before she deserted us, what she put me through.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I was your wife, Terry, and despite what you say, I made a pretty good job of it. Living with you for sixteen years wasn't easy.</p><p>Terry: You didn't mind when I was bringing in the money, buying you nice things, giving you a good time. Rough with the smooth, you don't get good times without bad times.</p><p>Louise: That include getting knocked about, does it?</p><p></p><p>Louise to Terry: You drank and gambled away every penny we had and you made my life a misery.</p><p></p><p>Terry: I lost my own business, caught my own wife shacked up with a punter.</p><p></p><p>Terry on his marriage: Made a lot of mistakes. Some of it was down to me, a lot of it was down to the drink.</p><p></p><p>Louise on Terry: He started drinking a long time before the business went under.</p><p></p><p>Terry: You drove me to drink with your whinging and your nagging.</p><p>Louise: Yeah, you had me believing that too.</p><p></p><p>Simon: Dad was a mean drunk and it was Mum that saw the worst of it.</p><p></p><p>Terry: See this arm? I used to be able to crack nuts in there. Before I was ill.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I lived with an alcoholic. I used to go to all the meetings because Terry wouldn't. I just couldn't put it together - this man I loved could become this monster and still be Terry. There was nothing I could do to stop it. I just kept thinking, "If he loved me, he'd stop".</p><p></p><p>Simon: You were being knocked about but you never said anything.</p><p>Louise: No, you don't. you're too embarrassed. You think it's you that's failed.</p><p></p><p>Terry to Louise: You destroyed it all.</p><p></p><p>Louise to Terry: You had me believing it was all my fault, that I deserved to be hit. That's how little I thought of myself.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany: Dad was under a lot of stress.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany: I was always so ashamed of my family. Could never bring me mates back home. Guaranteed there'd be a row.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I went through hell with your father.</p><p>Simon: And you think we didn't?</p><p></p><p>Tiffany on Terry: He was a nightmare. Whenever things went bad, he'd come home drunk and take it out on us.</p><p>Mary Flaherty: You and Simon?</p><p>Tiffany: And me mum. Me and Simon would try to hide sometimes, but you could still hear it.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany to Terry: Mum gave you loads of chances.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I stuck around as long as I could.</p><p></p><p>Simon on Louise: I don't know how she lasted as long as she did. I think he'd have clouted me and Tiff much more if it hadn't been for her. She kind of drew his fire, ain't that right?</p><p>Tiffany: Till she got tired of being used for his punchbag, yeah.</p><p>Mary: What did your mum do?</p><p>Tiffany: She left him. And us. Just got up one day and walked out.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I had to go in the end. I was going mad.</p><p></p><p>Terry to Louise: I was going through a rough time. I needed some support. You ran out on me.</p><p></p><p>Terry on Louise: She left us when I was down, and she just — well, fine. Her choice.</p><p>Simon: What was she meant to do, stick around forever, keep on pretending she'd been walking into doors?</p><p>Terry: You have no idea what was going on.</p><p>Simon: I could hear, couldn't I? I could see.</p><p></p><p>Terry: That woman walked out.</p><p>Louise: I didn't walk, Terry. I was pushed.</p><p></p><p>Louise on Terry: Walking out on that man was the best move I ever made.</p><p></p><p>Mary on Louise: Good for her.</p><p>Tiffany: Yeah, I suppose. I didn't feel that way at the time.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany on Louise: She walked out on us when I was twelve years old. Didn't try and explain and didn't ask us if we wanted to go with her, nothing. She just took off. I woke up one morning and she'd gone.</p><p></p><p>Louise: You weren't a kid, Tiffany. You saw how bad it was. You saw how he treated me.</p><p>Tiffany: Yeah of course I saw, but you saw what it was doing to me and Simon and you still left us. Your marriage ain't working so you walk out. Never mind Tiffany and Simon. You just cleared off and left us to look after him.</p><p></p><p>Terry: You mucked up my life, you screwed up your kids because it was always you, wasn't it? You, you, you.</p><p>Louise: You know why I had to leave.</p><p>Terry: You left your kids. You abandoned them.</p><p>Louise: You made me.</p><p>Terry: You left because you couldn't hack it as a mother.</p><p>Louise: I left because you were destroying me.</p><p>Terry: You left because you couldn't stand not being the centre of attention.</p><p></p><p>Ollie Kingston, Terry's solicitor: How old were your children at the time?</p><p>Louise: Simon was fourteen, Tiffany was twelve.</p><p>Ollie: Who fed and clothed and cared for your children during their teenage years?</p><p>Louise: My husband, but I did what —</p><p>Ollie: Exactly. Your husband, while you were out living the carefree life of a single woman.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I left my daughter in the lurch. I should have taken you [Tiffany] with me.</p><p></p><p>Louise to Tiffany: I walked out on you. I deserted you. No matter what the reason, I left my kids. You think I took that decision lightly? I've questioned myself every day since I left. There was nothing I wanted more than to have you with me. Terry virtually destroyed me. I didn't have any strength left and I didn't have any money. I couldn't have looked after you no matter how much I wanted to, not properly. It was wrong of me to leave, but I didn't disappear completely. You knew where I was. Simon come and saw me. You could have done as well.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I was depressed, full of guilt, close to a nervous breakdown. It was a long time before I stopped blaming myself.</p><p></p><p>Miss Chowdhury, Louise's solicitor: You never took a penny from [Terry] when the marriage broke up although there were considerable assets.</p><p>Louise: That's because he knew all the tricks — suddenly he was bankrupt and then the house was a security on the loan.</p><p>Miss Chowdhury: You must have increased the value of [the house] considerably over the years.</p><p>Louise: I suppose so. I don't know what it was worth in the end. He always handled that side of things.</p><p></p><p>Louise on Terry: I didn't know how to fight him. I just wanted out.</p><p></p><p>Terry: I lost the business, I lost the house, I've been to the bottom and back.</p><p></p><p>Terry: I started the divorce proceedings, but she didn't want to know.</p><p>Louise: Too right I didn't when you didn't want to give me a penny.</p><p>Terry: I didn't have any money. I'd lost it all.</p><p>Louise: Which was very convenient.</p><p></p><p>Miss Chowdhury: Why didn't you pursue a divorce at the time of the break up?</p><p>Louise: Because my husband made it quite clear that he'd oppose me at every stage. I had enough to cope with just trying to get myself back on my feet and make some kind of life for myself.</p><p>Miss Chowdhury: Which you did with no help from your husband?</p><p>Louise: None whatsoever. I left with nothing and I never asked for a penny from him.</p><p></p><p>Beppe Di Marco on Louise: She must have got in contact?</p><p>Tiffany: Yeah, cards at birthdays and Christmas till she couldn't be bothered no more.</p><p></p><p>Louise: I used to hate Christmas all those years without my kids.</p><p></p><p>Louise to Tiffany and Simon: There hasn't been a day when I haven't thought about you two.</p><p></p><p>Tiffany to Louise: I suppose it never crossed your mind that he'd make us pay for your walking out. Oh no, because you were too busy thinking about</p><p>yourself, weren't you?</p><p></p><p>Tiffany on Louise: I always wanted her to get back in touch, secretly.</p><p></p><p>Louise: [Simmons] is my maiden name. I went back to using it after I split up with my husband.</p><p></p><p>Simon: Dad always said they were divorced. They never got divorced. Why didn't you tell us, Dad?</p><p>Terry: I wanted it to be a clean break for you, for me, for everyone.</p><p></p><p>Lynne Slater on her bracelet: Mum gave me that on my twenty-first.</p><p></p><p>Grant: I was always a better dancer than you.</p><p>Phil: If bouncing up and down on the spot like a deranged pigeon is dancing then yeah, you're a better dancer than me.</p><p>Grant: I used to clear the floor, mate.</p><p>Phil: Yeah, that's because they all thought you'd escaped from somewhere. I mean come on, seriously, did anyone ever actually tell you you're a good dancer?</p><p>Grant: All right — 1989, Hackney, Cinderella's. Explain that. Did I or did I not win a competition?</p><p>Phil: Blimey, talk about clutching at straws. The competition was between you, three drunks, and a barstool.</p><p>Grant: Did I win or not?</p><p>Phil: Yes, you won. Look, one of the drunks threw up on the dance floor, the other two skidded on it and fell over. The only reason you didn't was because you were still bobbing up and down on the spot. The barstool somebody stuck up there for a laugh ended up coming second.</p><p>Grant: I still won.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James from London, post: 119722, member: 22"] [SIZE=5]Garry Hobbs: Ibiza 1989, first time I ever had sex down on the beach. Grant: I knew this Spanish bird once. Phil: Maria? Grant: What — did I tell you about her? Phil: No, but they're all called Maria, aren't they? Grant: She was something else. Couldn't keep her hands off me. David Wicks: I went out with a Spanish girl once and she taught me [the language]. Bianca: How many times you been to Spain then? David: A few. David: I went to Spain once for a fortnight. I come back three months later, and that was under protest. (I never really.) Nigel Bates: I went to Majorca once. That was romantic. At least it would have been if I hadn't gone on my own. Grant: You ever seen a bullfight? I have. I remember this one — there was this bull, mad great thing it was. This bullfighter, he just danced rings around it till, bit by bit, all the life was drained out of it. You see, this bull thought it was a fair fight, thought he could win, get away, but he couldn't. Didn't stand a chance. Eddie Moon: I got chased by a randy bull across a field once. Tanya Branning on living in Spain: It’s always been a dream of mine. Dennis Rickman: I've never been on a proper holiday. Sharon Watts: What about when you were in the children's home — didn't you go away with them? Dennis: No, but there was a summer school soccer trip thing, you know. I put my name down, thought it would be good. Sharon: Was it? Dennis: I don't know. They sent me home after the first day. Some bother about me flooding the toilets. Sonia Jackson: I remember once I was with my mum and my brothers and sister. We built this fantastic castle. Of course the tide started to come in, didn’t it? So I tried to dig a channel, kind of divert the water, but it just kept coming faster and faster. I was trying to keep everything together. There was nothing I could do. Everything I’d built up and worked so hard for, it was just ... There was nothing I could do. [/SIZE] Denise Fox: You meet Owen for the first time and he’s charming, he’s polite, he’s kind. He’s the perfect gentleman — but they wouldn’t be thinking that when he’s bashing my head against the bathroom wall, would they? Liz Turner, Owen’s mother: He’s very bright. That’s the problem. Gets bored easily. That’s what got him into drinking in the first place. Owen Turner: Mum’s got photos of us in ’89 and I look so strong and lean. You remember that summer? Denise: Yeah, oh yeah — my "bad mum" phase. Chelsea spent half her life at me sister’s. Owen on Chelsea: She got spoilt rotten. She loved it. Kim Fox to Denise: Remember all the times I looked after Chelsea when you were out raving with Owen? Denise: I was a good girl. You led me astray. Owen: Didn’t take much persuading. Second summer of love, eh? All them raves. Sitting in lay-bys with stereos on, hundreds of us waiting for the next party. Mum’s still got all the photos. We’re laughing, messing about in all of them, eh? You remember? Denise: They were good times. Owen to Denise: August dawn, dancing barefoot in the grass, sharing our last fag together. You had something in you back then. You had something, you had, like a sparkle. Denise on herself and Owen: Oh, we was wild back then, out all the time, rampant. He had this spell over me. He spoke and I crumbled. Denise: You don’t know what [Owen] was like, not really, not at the beginning. Chelsea: You’ve told me — he was exciting, he made you feel special. I get it. Denise: There’s more to it than that. Denise: Me and Owen, we had something special. Owen Turner to Denise: What we had, Dee, was special, weren’t it? Denise: You were an angel once, Owen. You could melt me with one look or one smile and I loved that. Owen to Denise: “Snap her up quick, Owen. She could do a lot better.” That’s what Mum said about you. Owen: We were outsiders that summer and the next thing you know, everyone’s walking about, suit and a tie on, as if nothing ever happened. Denise: It was a party, Owen, not a revolution. Owen: I never said it was. Owen: We just lived day by day. All we needed was money for bills, a few bob for drinks. Denise: Yeah, drinks! Owen: You were caning it like the rest of us. Right or wrong, I’ve always been me, but you, that beautiful girl I met all those years ago with the sexy little dresses and the smile as wide as a river, where did she go? Owen on Denise: She always did like things done right. Owen: You’d stopped smiling by the following summer. Denise: Well, I was pregnant the following summer. Ronnie: A boy? Glenda: Ten pounds. You can imagine what it was like getting him out. Ronnie: Was he healthy? Glenda: Yeah, he was fine. Ronnie: When was he born? Glenda: September the twelfth, Homerton Hospital. And it was raining. Ronnie: I haven’t asked his name. Glenda: Daniel, after my uncle. Lovely man. I thought if I named my boy after him, he wouldn’t grow up like his father. Glenda on Danny: Archie is not his father. Roxy: What is [your middle name]? Danny Mitchell: Archie. Roxy on Danny: If he’s not Archie’s son, then why did you give him Archie’s name, his middle name — Archie? Glenda: His middle name is Nicholas! Glenda on her son Danny: Bad as his dad, right from the start. Even in his high chair you could see him scheming, planning how he was going to get what he wanted. Glenda to Danny: You always have been a good boy. Glenda: I had no money, I had a tiny baby. I had to make a new life. Shirley Carter on her children: We used to be happy once, a long time ago before I ruined it. Denise to Shirley: That video that Kevin took of you and the kids in the garden. You were happy. OK, it may not have lasted long, but you were a mum to those kids and they loved you for it. Shirley to Dean: You always wanted your mum when you were ill. Eighteen months old, you had gastroenteritis. Couldn’t keep a thing down. I sat up all night reading you nursery rhymes, even when I got it. Sang “Twinkle Twinkle Little Star” for days. Drove me barmy. It’s the only thing that would get you to sleep. Shirley to Dean: You used to have [a jack-in-a-box]. There was blue murder when Carly cut the head off of it. Shirley: I took Carly on [a fairground ride on Brighton Pier] when she was six. She said it wasn’t high enough. Shirley on Dean: I remember taking him to the fair and all he wanted to do was go on this little teacup ride that went round about a mile an hour, but he’d cling onto me like it was doing sixty. He was so sweet. Ronnie to Roxy: You never could resist a funfair. Jean Slater: I’ve never been worried about heights. Heather Trott: I was never much of a one for heights. Shirley: You probably hardly remember [Heather]. Dean: She’s not the kind of person you forget. She loved cheese, George Michael. Half the time she dressed like she was from the eighties and the other half the time she looked like she got dressed in the dark. Shirley: And I treated her like dirt. Dean: She knew that you didn’t mean it. She knew that you were always there for her. Linda on Dean: We’d met him once or twice when he was a kid, but we didn’t know him. Linda: Kevin always struck me as a good bloke. Dean: He was. Dean on Pat: She used to visit me as a baby. Roxy on Grant: I haven't seen him for years. Mick: Did you ever play [Heather] our karaoke song [‘The Lion Sleeps Tonight’]? Shirley: I made her do the dance! Nigel Bates on karaoke: I have been known to do a wicked ‘Achy Breaky Heart’. The birds love it. Someone threw a bottle at me once. Missed me completely, landed on this table of skinheads. Took four police vans to cart them all away. Haven't been back there since. Kat Slater to Zoe: Your first day at school, I wanted to take you so I got up at half six in the morning. I was getting you ready and you said, "What's going on? Where's Mum?" That's when I told you. I said, "She's here, darling. I'm your mum." You just laughed and held your arms for Dad who was standing in the doorway. Then Mum dragged me in the kitchen and said I shouldn't make jokes. Jokes? I was crying. Bianca: Tiffany Raymond, she used to go to our school. Robbie Jackson: She used to fancy me. Terry Raymond on Tiffany: Always made friends when she was a kid. Couldn't help it. Every week she'd bring somebody or other home for tea. Not like me. Got it from her mother probably. Everybody reckons I gave her hell, made her life miserable. It doesn't mean I didn't love her because I did. Chris Clarke: What did your dad used to do with you when you were a kid? Simon Raymond: Hit me. Chris: Come on, I've heard you go on about how wonderful everything was when you lived out in Essex. Simon: That's when Mum was living with us. At least she understood me. Terry: I used to have money, a wife. I used to be someone. Grant: Until you blew it. Terry: I never done nothing. One minute I was sailing along and then fate turned against me. Simon: My old man lurched from one disaster to the next. Terry: Things weren't right for a long time between me and Louise. I was in a hole. I couldn't see my way out. Just seemed like there was no respect anymore. My own family were laughing at me, that's what it seemed like. Tiffany Raymond: I ain't going to be like my mum, taking a beating on a Saturday night. Grant: Terry used to hit her? Tiffany: Yeah and if he didn't hit her, he used to hit me. My dad wasn't a very nice man. Louise Raymond on Terry: He used me as a punchbag. Simon on Terry: He broke Mum's nose once. Terry: I've got a failed marriage, a failed business, I failed my kids, I hit the bottle. Grant: You do stupid things when you're upset. Louise: That was always Terry's excuse. Louise: Terry used to say he loved me, but it didn't stop him [hitting me]. Terry on Louise: She was poison. You don't know what she was like before she deserted us, what she put me through. Louise: I was your wife, Terry, and despite what you say, I made a pretty good job of it. Living with you for sixteen years wasn't easy. Terry: You didn't mind when I was bringing in the money, buying you nice things, giving you a good time. Rough with the smooth, you don't get good times without bad times. Louise: That include getting knocked about, does it? Louise to Terry: You drank and gambled away every penny we had and you made my life a misery. Terry: I lost my own business, caught my own wife shacked up with a punter. Terry on his marriage: Made a lot of mistakes. Some of it was down to me, a lot of it was down to the drink. Louise on Terry: He started drinking a long time before the business went under. Terry: You drove me to drink with your whinging and your nagging. Louise: Yeah, you had me believing that too. Simon: Dad was a mean drunk and it was Mum that saw the worst of it. Terry: See this arm? I used to be able to crack nuts in there. Before I was ill. Louise: I lived with an alcoholic. I used to go to all the meetings because Terry wouldn't. I just couldn't put it together - this man I loved could become this monster and still be Terry. There was nothing I could do to stop it. I just kept thinking, "If he loved me, he'd stop". Simon: You were being knocked about but you never said anything. Louise: No, you don't. you're too embarrassed. You think it's you that's failed. Terry to Louise: You destroyed it all. Louise to Terry: You had me believing it was all my fault, that I deserved to be hit. That's how little I thought of myself. Tiffany: Dad was under a lot of stress. Tiffany: I was always so ashamed of my family. Could never bring me mates back home. Guaranteed there'd be a row. Louise: I went through hell with your father. Simon: And you think we didn't? Tiffany on Terry: He was a nightmare. Whenever things went bad, he'd come home drunk and take it out on us. Mary Flaherty: You and Simon? Tiffany: And me mum. Me and Simon would try to hide sometimes, but you could still hear it. Tiffany to Terry: Mum gave you loads of chances. Louise: I stuck around as long as I could. Simon on Louise: I don't know how she lasted as long as she did. I think he'd have clouted me and Tiff much more if it hadn't been for her. She kind of drew his fire, ain't that right? Tiffany: Till she got tired of being used for his punchbag, yeah. Mary: What did your mum do? Tiffany: She left him. And us. Just got up one day and walked out. Louise: I had to go in the end. I was going mad. Terry to Louise: I was going through a rough time. I needed some support. You ran out on me. Terry on Louise: She left us when I was down, and she just — well, fine. Her choice. Simon: What was she meant to do, stick around forever, keep on pretending she'd been walking into doors? Terry: You have no idea what was going on. Simon: I could hear, couldn't I? I could see. Terry: That woman walked out. Louise: I didn't walk, Terry. I was pushed. Louise on Terry: Walking out on that man was the best move I ever made. Mary on Louise: Good for her. Tiffany: Yeah, I suppose. I didn't feel that way at the time. Tiffany on Louise: She walked out on us when I was twelve years old. Didn't try and explain and didn't ask us if we wanted to go with her, nothing. She just took off. I woke up one morning and she'd gone. Louise: You weren't a kid, Tiffany. You saw how bad it was. You saw how he treated me. Tiffany: Yeah of course I saw, but you saw what it was doing to me and Simon and you still left us. Your marriage ain't working so you walk out. Never mind Tiffany and Simon. You just cleared off and left us to look after him. Terry: You mucked up my life, you screwed up your kids because it was always you, wasn't it? You, you, you. Louise: You know why I had to leave. Terry: You left your kids. You abandoned them. Louise: You made me. Terry: You left because you couldn't hack it as a mother. Louise: I left because you were destroying me. Terry: You left because you couldn't stand not being the centre of attention. Ollie Kingston, Terry's solicitor: How old were your children at the time? Louise: Simon was fourteen, Tiffany was twelve. Ollie: Who fed and clothed and cared for your children during their teenage years? Louise: My husband, but I did what — Ollie: Exactly. Your husband, while you were out living the carefree life of a single woman. Louise: I left my daughter in the lurch. I should have taken you [Tiffany] with me. Louise to Tiffany: I walked out on you. I deserted you. No matter what the reason, I left my kids. You think I took that decision lightly? I've questioned myself every day since I left. There was nothing I wanted more than to have you with me. Terry virtually destroyed me. I didn't have any strength left and I didn't have any money. I couldn't have looked after you no matter how much I wanted to, not properly. It was wrong of me to leave, but I didn't disappear completely. You knew where I was. Simon come and saw me. You could have done as well. Louise: I was depressed, full of guilt, close to a nervous breakdown. It was a long time before I stopped blaming myself. Miss Chowdhury, Louise's solicitor: You never took a penny from [Terry] when the marriage broke up although there were considerable assets. Louise: That's because he knew all the tricks — suddenly he was bankrupt and then the house was a security on the loan. Miss Chowdhury: You must have increased the value of [the house] considerably over the years. Louise: I suppose so. I don't know what it was worth in the end. He always handled that side of things. Louise on Terry: I didn't know how to fight him. I just wanted out. Terry: I lost the business, I lost the house, I've been to the bottom and back. Terry: I started the divorce proceedings, but she didn't want to know. Louise: Too right I didn't when you didn't want to give me a penny. Terry: I didn't have any money. I'd lost it all. Louise: Which was very convenient. Miss Chowdhury: Why didn't you pursue a divorce at the time of the break up? Louise: Because my husband made it quite clear that he'd oppose me at every stage. I had enough to cope with just trying to get myself back on my feet and make some kind of life for myself. Miss Chowdhury: Which you did with no help from your husband? Louise: None whatsoever. I left with nothing and I never asked for a penny from him. Beppe Di Marco on Louise: She must have got in contact? Tiffany: Yeah, cards at birthdays and Christmas till she couldn't be bothered no more. Louise: I used to hate Christmas all those years without my kids. Louise to Tiffany and Simon: There hasn't been a day when I haven't thought about you two. Tiffany to Louise: I suppose it never crossed your mind that he'd make us pay for your walking out. Oh no, because you were too busy thinking about yourself, weren't you? Tiffany on Louise: I always wanted her to get back in touch, secretly. Louise: [Simmons] is my maiden name. I went back to using it after I split up with my husband. Simon: Dad always said they were divorced. They never got divorced. Why didn't you tell us, Dad? Terry: I wanted it to be a clean break for you, for me, for everyone. Lynne Slater on her bracelet: Mum gave me that on my twenty-first. Grant: I was always a better dancer than you. Phil: If bouncing up and down on the spot like a deranged pigeon is dancing then yeah, you're a better dancer than me. Grant: I used to clear the floor, mate. Phil: Yeah, that's because they all thought you'd escaped from somewhere. I mean come on, seriously, did anyone ever actually tell you you're a good dancer? Grant: All right — 1989, Hackney, Cinderella's. Explain that. Did I or did I not win a competition? Phil: Blimey, talk about clutching at straws. The competition was between you, three drunks, and a barstool. Grant: Did I win or not? Phil: Yes, you won. Look, one of the drunks threw up on the dance floor, the other two skidded on it and fell over. The only reason you didn't was because you were still bobbing up and down on the spot. The barstool somebody stuck up there for a laugh ended up coming second. Grant: I still won. [/QUOTE]
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