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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 120463" data-attributes="member: 35">Huh?&nbsp; The investigation is on going, so how&#039;s it not on the radar now?It&#039;s not odd when you consider that Dems used to champion progressive causes, while Republicans have generally been more socially and economically conservative.Why is it okay to have two parties that shove needless wars, illegal surveillance, and bank deregulation at us, but not universal health care, tuition free public colleges, and a living wage?The investigation began after the election, is on going, and Trump has yet to be convicted of treason.&nbsp; That&#039;s not to say he won&#039;t be, but I prefer to stay in the realm of facts.&nbsp; You can wag your finger at the voters if it makes you feel better, but it&#039;s the politicians who need to be held accountable.&nbsp; Ignoring the flaws of the Democratic Party won&#039;t make them go away.&nbsp; They&#039;re still a party that takes corporate money, and thus support fracking, for profit health care, stagnant wages, war, illegal surveillance, ect.&nbsp; Not exactly liberal values.It&#039;s a given that Trump and the GOP are all of that and worse, but Dems shouldn&#039;t use that an excuse to set a low bar for themselves.&nbsp; As long as moderates continue taking their anger out on the voters while declaring that the Democratic Party doesn&#039;t need to change, you&#039;re going to be left with disenfranchised voters looking for ways to make their voices heard.That&#039;s what I find so strange.&nbsp; Why do moderate Democrats believe hating Trump means being okay with everything the Democrats do?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 120463, member: 35"] Huh? The investigation is on going, so how's it not on the radar now? It's not odd when you consider that Dems used to champion progressive causes, while Republicans have generally been more socially and economically conservative. Why is it okay to have two parties that shove needless wars, illegal surveillance, and bank deregulation at us, but not universal health care, tuition free public colleges, and a living wage? The investigation began after the election, is on going, and Trump has yet to be convicted of treason. That's not to say he won't be, but I prefer to stay in the realm of facts. You can wag your finger at the voters if it makes you feel better, but it's the politicians who need to be held accountable. Ignoring the flaws of the Democratic Party won't make them go away. They're still a party that takes corporate money, and thus support fracking, for profit health care, stagnant wages, war, illegal surveillance, ect. Not exactly liberal values. It's a given that Trump and the GOP are all of that and worse, but Dems shouldn't use that an excuse to set a low bar for themselves. As long as moderates continue taking their anger out on the voters while declaring that the Democratic Party doesn't need to change, you're going to be left with disenfranchised voters looking for ways to make their voices heard. That's what I find so strange. Why do moderate Democrats believe hating Trump means being okay with everything the Democrats do? [/QUOTE]

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