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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 120541" data-attributes="member: 35">Hillary gets dragged into these discussions because she was Trump&#039;s opponent, and anybody who didn&#039;t support her is often smeared for it.&nbsp; It&#039;s right to point out the Trump Administration&#039;s ties to Russian oligarchs, how Russia subsequently meddled in the election, how Trump&#039;s a war monger who appoints torturers and corporatists to his cabinet, etc.&nbsp; Unfortunately, many of those same people want to act as if Hillary didn&#039;t have the same flaws.&nbsp; They ignore her ties to Russian oligarchs, her desire to meddle in a Palestinian election, the wars she&#039;s supported, the fact that she considers war monger Henry Kissinger a friend, her ties to Wall Street, etc.&nbsp; Personally speaking, I like to see both sides held to the same standards.On top of that, Hillary continues to interject herself back into the conversation.&nbsp; She&#039;s constantly reappearing with her latest person/group to blame for her loss.&nbsp; Originally, it was Comey, Russia, and the &quot;sexist&quot; Bernie bros.&nbsp; Then it was women who were internalized misogynists.&nbsp; Then it was because she&#039;s a capitalist.&nbsp; Now it&#039;s because two time Obama voters fell for fake news about her health.&nbsp; She may not be in the Oval Office, but she&#039;s sure as hell not out of the spotlight either.&nbsp; Hillary makes herlself fair game by continuing to relitigate the election.Of course.&nbsp; The lie that progressives can&#039;t win comes straight from their donors.&nbsp; The sad part is they&#039;ve brainwashed many of their supporters into believing it.If progressives couldn&#039;t win on their own, Democrats wouldn&#039;t constantly get caught rigging presidential and congressional primaries.If you simply replace Republicans with Democrats, you&#039;re just giving another party a free pass to do some pretty obnoxious things.&nbsp; Not to mention that when Democrats co-opt traditionally conservative policies, the Republicans go even more extreme.&nbsp; Obamacare was originally a Republican healthcare plan.&nbsp; Although it addressed pre-existing conditions, it left 29 million people uninsured and many more struggling to afford their premiums.&nbsp; What was the GOP&#039;s response?&nbsp; Try to implement a plan that guts pre-existing condition coverage and leaves over 50 million people uninsured.&nbsp; Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent.&nbsp; The GOP under Trump gave the wealthy the biggest tax cuts in history.&nbsp; Obama increased the number of wars we&#039;re in and doubled down on illegal surveillance.&nbsp; Trump and the GOP did the same, and with the help of the majority of Democratic Senators.&nbsp; See the problem?Yes, they&#039;re better in the sense that their healthcare plan and tax cuts don&#039;t hurt as many people, but Republicans have set a low bar.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s healthy to debate the Democratic Party&#039;s policies so that people understand the frustration many have with them.&nbsp; If we become complacent, nothing changes.&nbsp; That&#039;s why we need grassroots activists to keep fighting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 120541, member: 35"] Hillary gets dragged into these discussions because she was Trump's opponent, and anybody who didn't support her is often smeared for it. It's right to point out the Trump Administration's ties to Russian oligarchs, how Russia subsequently meddled in the election, how Trump's a war monger who appoints torturers and corporatists to his cabinet, etc. Unfortunately, many of those same people want to act as if Hillary didn't have the same flaws. They ignore her ties to Russian oligarchs, her desire to meddle in a Palestinian election, the wars she's supported, the fact that she considers war monger Henry Kissinger a friend, her ties to Wall Street, etc. Personally speaking, I like to see both sides held to the same standards. On top of that, Hillary continues to interject herself back into the conversation. She's constantly reappearing with her latest person/group to blame for her loss. Originally, it was Comey, Russia, and the "sexist" Bernie bros. Then it was women who were internalized misogynists. Then it was because she's a capitalist. Now it's because two time Obama voters fell for fake news about her health. She may not be in the Oval Office, but she's sure as hell not out of the spotlight either. Hillary makes herlself fair game by continuing to relitigate the election. Of course. The lie that progressives can't win comes straight from their donors. The sad part is they've brainwashed many of their supporters into believing it. If progressives couldn't win on their own, Democrats wouldn't constantly get caught rigging presidential and congressional primaries. If you simply replace Republicans with Democrats, you're just giving another party a free pass to do some pretty obnoxious things. Not to mention that when Democrats co-opt traditionally conservative policies, the Republicans go even more extreme. Obamacare was originally a Republican healthcare plan. Although it addressed pre-existing conditions, it left 29 million people uninsured and many more struggling to afford their premiums. What was the GOP's response? Try to implement a plan that guts pre-existing condition coverage and leaves over 50 million people uninsured. Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent. The GOP under Trump gave the wealthy the biggest tax cuts in history. Obama increased the number of wars we're in and doubled down on illegal surveillance. Trump and the GOP did the same, and with the help of the majority of Democratic Senators. See the problem? Yes, they're better in the sense that their healthcare plan and tax cuts don't hurt as many people, but Republicans have set a low bar. I think it's healthy to debate the Democratic Party's policies so that people understand the frustration many have with them. If we become complacent, nothing changes. That's why we need grassroots activists to keep fighting. [/QUOTE]

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