Christopher Question Part 2

Without being too much of a stretch is it possible Christopher really was JR’s son?

  • Yes, Christopher could turn out to be JR’s son

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • No, no believable way Christopher could be JR’s son

    Votes: 4 57.1%

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stevew

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Please state any thoughts, such as why you’d object to such or what about the story we saw could make such a deception possible. I know in a soup anything is possible, two movies ignored, a season turned into a dream, Miss Ellie’s body transformation, relatives never mentioned popping out of no place, coming back from the dead, etc. but I mean with all sincerity as a realistic possibility. For example 1) Farraday set it up to look like Kristen has a miscarriage to extort Bobby over what he claimed was his child, 2) Bobby doctoring the paternity test to keep Christopher with Pam, and/or and other creative and plausible ideas:
 

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I find the idea of Bobby doctoring the medical documents to ensure Christopher stays with he and Pam quite intriguing to be honest. I mean he had already come clean to Pam about Christopher being J.R.’s son when he thought that was the case, and it didn’t seem to matter to her one bit. But let’s say he stops and thinks about it before they make the trip to California and he gets cold feet. He doesn’t know yet that Kristen had a miscarriage and Farraday is really the father. So he thinks about the problems that lay ahead for he and Pam if Christopher is J.R.’s. And Pam had been through enough at that point and I’m sure Bobby didn’t want to put her through anymore mental anguish. So yes, I can see this happening. Would it be out of character for Bobby to fudge a paternity test? It would be dishonorable and one thing Bobby wasn’t was dishonorable. But we did see him do some questionable things when his back was to the wall; fudging Christopher’s birth certificate comes to mind, lying to Pam all those months about how he got Christopher, buying Christopher on a street corner, as well as a few years later when he stood up in court and claimed Charlie was his daughter, knowing full well that was a lie. So for arguments sake Bobby falsifying the documents and ensuring Christopher was not J.R.’s son does not sound impossible to me.
 

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Well, JR himself said there were times he still thought Christopher could be his, so I suppose it's plausible, but I would vote against any more retcons.
 

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I think it's certainly plausible for Christopher to be JRs son - paternity tests back then weren't really that advanced and based on blood type and how certain combinations could only produce certain results.
 

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I voted No. I don’t really get why we can’t just accept that John Ross was his son - it’s bad enough having to put up with James without any more surprises.

I’m biased though because of how it would affect Sue Ellen.
I like your point. Thought I have trouble with James not even being mentioned in JR's will. There's also the point of Cally's child not being mentioned. They couldn't even include him for a 5 second walk on at this father's funeral. Then the recon of a daughter out of the blue - though if the Character was based on H. L. Hunt it certainly would be expected he'd have all these different families. As for Sue Ellen, I get your point. I'm sure my bias toward John Ross and Sue Ellen isn't hidden either. But I'm willing to run with a story where Christopher is more than a cousin but a brother to John Ross and the drama that would follow.
 

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I personally just think it’s unnecessary to have these hidden children of JR’s popping up all over the place. I wanted one thing that was sacred to him and Sue Ellen - and the horrid Season 13 writers ruined that with James, who I will never acknowledge as JR’s son.

I do appreciate your passion and ideas though!
 

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I personally just think it’s unnecessary to have these hidden children of JR’s popping up all over the place. I wanted one thing that was sacred to him and Sue Ellen - and the horrid Season 13 writers ruined that with James, who I will never acknowledge as JR’s son.

I do appreciate your passion and ideas though!
I get you. I really do. I wish I could ignore James too. I’d even ignore Cally. I said it back in 2012, if they were going to ignore the post movies why not ignore the later seasons as well. Personally I’d want to start with JR at Bobby’s grave, putting back in the dream season and say, “Damn Bob. I had a horrible dream last night. Only good part was, you turned out to be alive. That accident never happened, it all was a dream of that Barnes woman. You and I, we took on the world. But then I woke up. You’re gone, and I just can’t let you go. Momma’s gone now. But then you know that, I’m sure. I love you Bob. I miss you. I miss you bad.”

But I’m also terrible at ignoring what we saw. So if I’d been asked to do it, I would have included everything. I’d even include Dallas TNT if I moved forward.

But do know this, I’d NEVER write anything where Sue Ellen took a step back. Yeah she’d cry over JR. yeah she’d miss him like crazy, but no she wouldn’t turn to booze. And no she’d never be on any team other than her son’s. And when Elena didn’t pay her back it wouldn’t take John Ross into talking her into getting her money. In fact Sue Ellen would have said to Bobby, “This ranch, the oil under it, it belongs to my son, and nothing JR did is going stand in his way of getting it. And no I don’t underestimate you like JR did, I suggest you don’t underestimate me. I’m not the boozed up victim you use to know.” Because that woman earned her battle scars.
 

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It's certainly an interesting point of view not to want anything bad or something that can cause "discomfort" to happen to your favourite character.

Though arguably, everything is nice and nothing bad ever happens and everyone lives happily ever after would make quite a boring soap.
 

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It's certainly an interesting point of view not to want anything bad or something that can cause "discomfort" to happen to your favourite character.

Though arguably, everything is nice and nothing bad ever happens and everyone lives happily ever after would make quite a boring soap.
Point taken.
 

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But I'm willing to run with a story where Christopher is more than a cousin but a brother to John Ross and the drama that would follow.
I don't know why people think that's necessary, I think having them as two cousins who were raised together as friends and sometimes rivals is good enough. They don't need to be brothers to make their conflict any more intense or compelling. I have a first cousin who is a year older than me that was raised alongside my brother and I, we both think of her as our sister, because we're so close. I just don't think DallasTNT portrayed their relationship or rivalry good enough, but that's for a different forum.

I will admit that do agree that in retrospect that if they'd kept Kristin alive, there was a lot of potential future storylines that could have been done with her and her child. J.R. having another son or daughter with his crazed ex-mistress who happens to be Sue Ellen's sister could have brought lots of drama in later season. But I also like the idea of Christopher as an adopted child. That's another thing the show didn't utilize properly, there was a lot of potential with this adopted son who internally feels like he has to earn his right to be a Ewing, and what lengths he'll go through to prove to the family and himself that he is a "real Ewing" after all.
 

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Here is something that has always bothered me about that whole storyline.

If Kristen had miscarried JR's baby, how did she get pregnant again fast enough to make Christopher's paternity even a question. There are only about 3 days each month a woman can get pregnant. Miscarriage is a traumatic event for a woman's body. After mine, my cycle was messed up for several months. But even IF she got pregnant again right away, you'd have to assume she was at least a couple.of months along when she lost the baby. Another couple of weeks to get pregnant after the miscarriage...

So Christopher would have been AT LEAST two months younger than any child she concieved with JR, probably closer to 3.5 - 4 months younger.
 
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I mean, it'd be pretty unnecessary revelation today as it would really not serve any story purpose - yes, Bobby and Sue Ellen would be a tad upset for a bit, but a revelation like that the real sparks would fly between Pamela and JR... and they're both dead in the current timeline.
 

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Here is something that has always bothered me about that whole storyline.

If Kristen had miscarried JR's baby, how did she get pregnant again fast enough to make Christopher's paternity even a question. There are only about 3 days each month a woman can get pregnant. Miscarriage is a traumatic even for a woman's body. After mine, my cycle was messed up for several months. But even IF she got pregnant again right away, you'd have to assume she was at least a couple.of months along when she lost the baby. Another couple of weeks to get pregnant after the miscarriage...

So Christopher would have been AT LEAST two months younger than any child she concieved with JR, probably closer to 3.5 - 4 months younger.
Good points.
 

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I mean, it'd be pretty unnecessary revelation today as it would really not serve any story purpose - yes, Bobby and Sue Ellen would be a tad upset for a bit, but a revelation like that the real sparks would fly between Pamela and JR... and they're both dead in the current timeline.
It appears so is Christopher.
 

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I didn't watch the TNT series all that carefully and I can't remember...

Did Christopher ever find out Sue Ellen was his biological aunt? Cause if not, that storyline could be pretty explosive too.
 

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Here is something that has always bothered me about that whole storyline.

If Kristen had miscarried JR's baby, how did she get pregnant again fast enough to make Christopher's paternity even a question. There are only about 3 days each month a woman can get pregnant. Miscarriage is a traumatic event for a woman's body. After mine, my cycle was messed up for several months. But even IF she got pregnant again right away, you'd have to assume she was at least a couple.of months along when she lost the baby. Another couple of weeks to get pregnant after the miscarriage...

So Christopher would have been AT LEAST two months younger than any child she concieved with JR, probably closer to 3.5 - 4 months younger.
Well, a quick google search says it's possible for a woman to get pregnant as soon as two weeks after a miscarriage. I guess she just got lucky. And then assume she was still very early, maybe less than two months. And Farraday lied about the birth date when he gave Christopher to Bobby. At that young age can you really tell the difference from, say a 7 and a half month old baby and a 9 month old?
I didn't watch the TNT series all that carefully and I can't remember...

Did Christopher ever find out Sue Ellen was his biological aunt? Cause if not, that storyline could be pretty explosive too.
I don't know what would be explosive about it? Either way, he thought of her as his aunt. If anything it should have been something for Sue Ellen to point out to John
Ross to try to stop them from fighting. When John Ross is accusing Christopher of not being a real Ewing, she could point out that no matter what the two of them are real cousins.

And it is known, in the first episode John Ross did bring up how Christopher's "real father" sold him to Bobby. So he clearly know the whole story.
 
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Well, a quick google search says it's possible for a woman to get pregnant as soon as two weeks after a miscarriage. I guess she just got lucky. And then assume she was still very early, maybe less than two months. And Farraday lied about the birth date when he gave Christopher to Bobby. At that young age can you really tell the difference from, say a 7 and a half month old baby and a 9 month old?

I don't know what would be explosive about it? Either way, he thought of her as his aunt. If anything it should have been something for Sue Ellen to point out to John
Ross to try to stop them from fighting. When John Ross is accusing Christopher of not being a real Ewing, she could point out that no matter what the two of them are real cousins.

And it is known, in the first episode John Ross did bring up how Christopher's "real father" sold him to Bobby. So he clearly know the whole story.
Only explosive because it would be a life-long lie.

As for the difference between a 7 month old and a 9 month old, yeah, Bobby or JR wouldn't have seen it I guess, since they both had limited experience with babies.
 

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By the way, everyone's forgetting that it was never definitely proven that Kristin was pregnant by J.R. in the first place. Remember, she'd also told Jordan Lee it was his, and he was secretly paying her child support (all the more reason why it's plausible that once she miscarriage she tried to get pregnant again as soon as possible to continue the scam, she had two millionaires paying her off).
 

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I don't know why people think that's necessary, I think having them as two cousins who were raised together as friends and sometimes rivals is good enough.
Agreed. As we've discussed many times the real rivalry should have been between Christopher and Lucas, with John Ross loosely allied with Christopher.
 
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