Conservative states ban books in schools

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... And the land of the free... Not really, though.

Many states, mainly the very conservative states, are continuing to ban certain books from schools, even deciding what teachers are allowed to teach.

Some titles that are now banned:
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini
The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by JK Rowling
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
1984 by George Orwell
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Ulysses by James Joyce
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-suppress-discussion-racism-lgbtq-us-schools


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Being a teacher myself, I know that I and a number of my colleagues work with our pupils reading many of these novels. They are terrific. Great writing and so many topics to discuss and to analyze.

Of Mice and Men, for example. There's rasism to discuss, poverty after the big economy crash, how people are treated simply because they are or look different from the norm and how there's just one woman in the novel and she doesn't even get a name.
Why on earth ban this novel when it can teach us so much?

The Hate U Give is banned for profanity. Such a stupid reason for banning a novel.

1984 by Orwell. Why??? Pupils can't tell the difference between reality and dystopian fiction?

Harry Potter is banned for including "actual spells" and can therefore bring on evil spirits.

People..............
 

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When you ban something, it tends to spark all kinds of new interest into it. When you tell someone they shouldn’t look at something, what are the chances of them going out of their way to check out what it is they’re not supposed to be looking at?
 

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And the land of the free
Doesn't this fly in the face of the constitution? Where are all the celebrities condemning this behaviour. Rather than using the stage - when accepting your award - to slap the world about the face about climate change how about calling out those states wishing to ban books. What is this? 1880?
 

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... And the land of the free... Not really, though.

Many states, mainly the very conservative states, are continuing to ban certain books from schools, even deciding what teachers are allowed to teach.

Some titles that are now banned:
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini
The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by JK Rowling
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
1984 by George Orwell
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Ulysses by James Joyce
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-suppress-discussion-racism-lgbtq-us-schools


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With respect to your observations, the Guardian, which is a left leaning publication, is presenting a rather one-sided ,
selective view of censorship, and the article lacks proper context.

IE these censorship allegations are occurring in an extremely small group of schools, some of which may not be public schools.
Private/Religious schools, agree or disagree with them, are not subject to the same requirements as public schools

I agree that censorship runs counter to the concept of free expression, and I would not censor these works,
however the Guardian fails to mention the intolerance of the left, their zealous efforts to force
Critical Race Theory on Public Schools, Private/Religious Schools, Business Entities and Entertainment Projects

In pursuing a radical agenda, the left has tried to stifle parental involvement in their Children's Education.
As you can read below, Attorney General Merrick Garland planned to utilize the FBI to target
what was subjectively called "unruly school board meetings"
This is a man who was a Supreme Court Justice candidate with left leaning views.
Having an ideology that leans one way or the other is certainly within reason
but the use of federal authorities to squash legitimate dissent is beyond appalling,
and an affront to freedom and democracy.
How does this action respect the right to free speech, under the First Amendment?
That is a chilling, crushing, overbearing, dictatorial approach that seems designed to intimidate and villify
concerned parents who voice their opinions, vigorously yet peacefully


It was so extreme and detestable that The National School Boards Association issued an apology for urging federal authorities to target unruly school board meetings, a missive that spurred Attorney General Merrick Garland’s much-decried decision to bring in the FBI.

“On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for the letter,” said the NSBA memo. “There was no justification for some of the language included in the letter. We should have had a better process in place to allow for consultation on a communication of this significance. We apologize also for the strain and stress this situation has caused you and your organizations.”





I have attached links.

I will be happy to provide links about the forcing of Critical Race Theory, if you like.




Again, I oppose censorship by anyone.

My point is that the Guardian is not being honest in its reporting when it
disparages and reviles entire groups of law-abiding people
based on an very small percentage of anomalies
while ignoring the extreme overstepping by government officials against
concerned parents.
 
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anyone who wants to ban books should spend the rest of their life in a cell with a big dude named Bubba. yes these assholes think it's (1944) during WW2 when the Nazis used to do the same thing oh wait i was thinking when the idiots who were burning books not that long ago. is anyone offended by any of these books? i'm not in fact i own some of these books. 1984 yeah that's what today is feeling like the thought police now i haven't read 1984 myself but i know that's in their and Orwell predicted quite a lot that did in fact come true
 

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Here in my county, they are going after books that include LBGTQ characters or themes exclusively.

You can argue it any way you want to try to excuse it, but the fact is this entire movement is based on nothing more than bigotry and hatred.

Oh, and the desire of Republicans to rile up their base on the culture wars because they know they can't win on real issues.
 

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I wish when I was at school that they banned the Hobbit by JR Tolkein

as we had an awful English teacher who made us summarise each chapter in "Blue ink, double line spacing" in out jotters

It was a lesson in how to take any enjoyment and pleasure from a book and totally spoil it!

Thanks to said teacher I have never read it again ar any Lord of the Rings since! Didnt like 1984 either for same reason

Another great teacher didnt make us do that and 2 books I read with her - Lord of the flies and to Kill a Mockingbird - i still dig out and read to this day
 

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I wish when I was at school that they banned the Hobbit by JR Tolkein

as we had an awful English teacher who made us summarise each chapter in "Blue ink, double line spacing" in out jotters

It was a lesson in how to take any enjoyment and pleasure from a book and totally spoil it!

Thanks to said teacher I have never read it again ar any Lord of the Rings since! Didnt like 1984 either for same reason

Another great teacher didnt make us do that and 2 books I read with her - Lord of the flies and to Kill a Mockingbird - i still dig out and read to this day
I think I understand. Some of the most enjoyable reading for me were books that I was not assigned, but rather
read them on my own.
 

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i didn't mind doing that with books in school but than i think it depends on the books we also did the same with To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) and it's among my favorites my brother however back in they did it for school as well i even remember him renting the VHS copy at our local Video store as well and he hated the book. i love it though. i think the reason you hate those books is partly due to the fact that maybe they weren't your type of books anyways you normally would read? or am i wrong?
a good example of how i was at school History was never something i gave a damn about in school so therefore when i would get a D- i'd Celebrate cause i actually passed whatever test i was given. now Science was my worst subject that went right in one ear and out the other.

so of course i didn't understand any of that crap and i still don't now i think Science is real unlike all these douche bags out there today who claim it's fake. just cause i'm bad at science and have no interest in it does not mean it's fake ya know? a good example on if i am interested in it? i'm a Huge Edgar Allen Poe fan due to the Roger Corman films of the 60's. so in high school my Senior Year we were given an Assignment on to do a report on him well i can still remember my teacher telling me i was the only one in Class who got an A on it. what schools need to start doing is have these teachers pay attention to their students and maybe assign books that they may think this person or that one will like to read. I enjoyed of Mice and Men as well when we did that one but i cannot tell you how many people i've talked to online or off who had to do that one and hated it.

why? because the book was one they just found boring as hell. when i was in school i did read a lot anyways but i hated book reports and it always really annoyed the hell out of me that they'd give us books 9 times out of 10 i cared nothing about at all. when we did to kill a mockingbird i still didn't like doing the reports but it wasn't as bad cause i was really enjoying the book and i wanted to finish it sooner than i did but since it was for school...being a teacher no doubt is a hard job but when you have the right teacher and they talk to you about say the movies on what kind you like that may give them an idea of a book you may like. that's just my theory anyways i dunno if it would work or not. i'm also not a teacher either so i can't say if it would or not

as for the banning and it's them being racist etc.. i 100% agree with you on that it's exactly what it is, i've never understood why who you go to bed with really matters to anyone? what does it matter which gender it is?
 
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Harry Potter is banned for including "actual spells" and can therefore bring on evil spirits.
That's, as I understand it, the attitude of many fundamentalist Baptist churches and preachers-- that just because it's a book about fictional magic, it can be used to bring on real magic.
 

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i didn't mind doing that with books in school but than i think it depends on the books we also did the same with To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) and it's among my favorites my brother however back in they did it for school as well i even remember him renting the VHS copy at our local Video store as well and he hated the book. i love it though. i think the reason you hate those books is partly due to the fact that maybe they weren't your type of books anyways you normally would read? or am i wrong?
a good example of how i was at school History was never something i gave a damn about in school so therefore when i would get a D- i'd Celebrate cause i actually passed whatever test i was given. now Science was my worst subject that went right in one ear and out the other.

so of course i didn't understand any of that crap and i still don't now i think Science is real unlike all these douche bags out there today who claim it's fake. just cause i'm bad at science and have no interest in it does not mean it's fake ya know? a good example on if i am interested in it? i'm a Huge Edgar Allen Poe fan due to the Roger Corman films of the 60's. so in high school my Senior Year we were given an Assignment on to do a report on him well i can still remember my teacher telling me i was the only one in Class who got an A on it. what schools need to start doing is have these teachers pay attention to their students and maybe assign books that they may think this person or that one will like to read. I enjoyed of Mice and Men as well when we did that one but i cannot tell you how many people i've talked to online or off who had to do that one and hated it.

why? because the book was one they just found boring as hell. when i was in school i did read a lot anyways but i hated book reports and it always really annoyed the hell out of me that they'd give us books 9 times out of 10 i cared nothing about at all. when we did to kill a mockingbird i still didn't like doing the reports but it wasn't as bad cause i was really enjoying the book and i wanted to finish it sooner than i did but since it was for school...being a teacher no doubt is a hard job but when you have the right teacher and they talk to you about say the movies on what kind you like that may give them an idea of a book you may like. that's just my theory anyways i dunno if it would work or not. i'm also not a teacher either so i can't say if it would or not

as for the banning and it's them being racist etc.. i 100% agree with you on that it's exactly what it is, i've never understood why who you go to bed with really matters to anyone? what does it matter which gender it is?
Maybe I just lack a certain sophistication, but much of what is considered classic literature is just boring and hard to read for me.
I hated doing book reports, and answering questions like what is the author trying to say - well then just say it and spare me the rest!
Books I enjoyed (Classic) - Catcher in the Rye, The Ox-Bow incident, To Kill a Mockingbird, Lord of the Flies
I was more interested in short stories, better written, less verbose.
 

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I love the classics. I think they survived and became classics simply because they are THAT good. I don't enjoy every classic novel though, but the vast majority. I own many classics. Of my 1200 books, I'd say about 300+ of them as classics.
 

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Harry Potter real spells? really? so do Orks exist and does Pennywise Exist or Mid world? another King area these idiots are so desperate for something to hate with a passion that they pick Harry Potter something that not one thing in those books aren't fiction. they just watch something to bitch about that's all it is.

as for your reading in school see it depends on your taste as everyone is different there are some classics i'll never read why? cause they just aren't my type of books that's all. but i hated book reports as well those were a huge pain in the ass i'm not gonna lie. but if you give a kid a book they actually want to read for example when Harry Potter when those were coming out little kids were carrying around those huge tombs of the later novels around school why? cause it was something that interest them before that i can't think of that many kids that actually would do that well if you are a bookworm like me yes, but that series for example got kids to read and no doubt learn how to read as well, well read better and more than before they read it even if they read it with their parents.

high schools really need i think to pick some other books not just some of the classics see i'm a poet of sorts i've written over 200 poems i think? but in high school i can remember in English Class reading about stanza's and all that shit none of that i cared about and you had Robert Frost and Emily Dickenson who did not catch my interest but when we did some Poe's like when we picked apart The poem of The Pit and the pendulum i really loved it cause i love Poe.

he's my favorite poet i loved it when we picked apart his poems and discussed the cask of the Amatiaddo which i know is spelled wrong but i'm sure you know what i mean. i had no interest in any way shape or form of writing poems until about a year or so after i graduated funny enough. so i have a feeling that if we found something you like take Stephen King if you are a fan of his work and want to read his books anyways other than book reports i think you would have fun doing it. i always name this book i read in school not high school though middle school or jr high maybe? i can't remember it was called The Zero people i do not remember who it was by or what it was about but it's i think the worst book i ever read. it's that forgettable of a book that i had to force myself to read along with everyone else. i had more fun reading of mice and men cause for one that was written far better by someone who was talented. the zero people all i Remember was it came out in the 70's.

but short stories see that's exactly my point if they would have told you to read a certain author like again King who has written many short stories and still writes them actually you might have enjoyed that a lot better than you did.
 

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Can either party truly win on real issues? While Dems push identity politics and Republicans push the culture wars, corporate America laughs all the way to the bank.

And while some conservatives support banning old school media such as books, the regressive left is hard at work pushing censorship of new media such as Twitter.

The populist left and the populist right are finally realizing they have to organize around class lines and reject the divisiveness of extremist Democrats and Republicans.
 
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Can either party truly win on real issues? While Dems push identity politics and Republicans push the culture wars, corporate America laughs all the way to the bank.

And while some conservatives support banning old school media such as books, the regressive left is hard at work pushing censorship of new media such as Twitter.

The populist left and the populist right are finally realizing they have to organize around class lines and reject the divisiveness of extremist Democrats and Republicans.
I would add that most reasonable people are going to make their voices heard, not only on the points that you made, but also on inflation at a 41 year high, gas prices that have skyrocketed, rising crime, and disagreements with the decisions of their local schools, while the middle/working class suffers and the elites get richer.
 

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I would add that most reasonable people are going to make their voices heard, not only on the points that you made, but also on inflation at a 41 year high, gas prices that have skyrocketed, rising crime, and disagreements with the decisions of their local schools, while the middle/working class suffers and the elites get richer.
Yes. I have no doubt that the balance of power will switch over to the Republicans because of it. Just as the power switches to the Democrats when Republicans are a disaster.

Since 2016, I made the decision to vote third party. It does nothing electorally, but it does help satisfy my conscience.
 
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so here's a question what about real life witches ? i forget what they are called cause i'm dog tired i have just come home from work. but i have a book about them a friend gave me years ago, no doubt Library's have them as well. i really doubt you can actually cast any spell based on anything in any Harry Potter novel but than i'm not an idiot like these people who want to ban any of these books
 

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Yes. I have no doubt that the balance of power will switch over to the Republicans because of it. Just as the power switches to the Democrats when Republicans are a disaster.

Since 2016, I made the decision to vote third party. It does nothing electorally, but it does help satisfy my conscience.

This is what I should have done in the 2020 election, and what I regret not doing (after all, that screaming match that FOX "News" called a "debate" [where Trump wouldn't let Biden get a word in edgewise] actually disqualified both candidates to me; I voted Biden, however, because I was so dang tired of being beat around the head with Trump's screaming all the time [my autism registered Trump's outspokenness at his rallies as screaming and yelling directly at me]).
 

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i can see that actually even though that was just him throwing a temper Tantrum Trump recently was begging not to be thrown in contempt for not handing over evidence in one of his current cases i forget which one. my only question is simply this, is it legal if you beg a judge to throw him in jail and keep him there?
 
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