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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 21985" data-attributes="member: 35">The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full time.&nbsp; It does not count for different job positions, hours worked, or different jobs.I&#039;m sure women are more likely to be victims in domestic abuse cases, but men can still be victims of violence as well.&nbsp; I&#039;m a man, yet I lock my doors, I&#039;m extra vigilant when I go out at night, etc.That&#039;s just it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t care if the President is a man, woman, gay, straight, Christian, Jewish, or an atheist.&nbsp; What matters is where they stand on policy, are they prone to flip-flopping, have they done anything unethical or illegal, etc.&nbsp; However, the DNC chose to ignore that in the pursuit of nominating their first female presidential candidate.&nbsp; That&#039;s why you have Clinton supporters like Madeleine Albright saying there&#039;s a special place in hell for woman who don&#039;t support other woman, the labeling of Bernie Sanders and his supporters as sexists, and so on.&nbsp; The DNC scheduled the debates around football and threatened to attack Sanders over his religious views.&nbsp; Where was their impartiality?&nbsp; Where was their tolerance?&nbsp; The Democratic Party was once seen as home to progressives, but has been taken over by corporatists, war hawks, and corrupt establishment hacks.Now let&#039;s look at Trump.&nbsp; He has said horrible things about women, the disabled, and minorities.&nbsp; His foreign policy consists of killing the family members of terrorists.&nbsp; He wants American Muslims to register in a database, and he wants to keep foreign Muslims from traveling to the US.&nbsp; And while I believe border security and immigration control are important, I don&#039;t think forcing Mexico to pay for a wall we build is fair or realistic.&nbsp; Still, as horrible as I find all of that to be, he is to the left of Hillary on trade deals like NAFTA and the TPP.&nbsp; Also, his defense of Social Security and Medicare is at least on par with Hillary.Whether Trump wins or loses, having Hillary as his rival gave him his best chance at winning.&nbsp; He&#039;s running against a woman who supported her husband&#039;s policies of anti-gay legislation, criminal justice reform that disproportionately locked up black people, and welfare reform that hurt poor families.&nbsp; As a Senator, she supported the Iraq War and the Patriot Act.&nbsp; As Secretary of State, she was involved in the wars in Libya and Syria.So what you end up with is a guy who says awful things, and a woman who has supported atrocious polices, misused her email account, has accepted money from Middle Eastern countries, and is involved in pay to play scandals with the Clinton foundation.&nbsp; Criticisms of her looks and pant suits are superficial distractions, and her sticking with Bill is her business.&nbsp; However, that doesn&#039;t mean her policy record and scandals are off limits.I couldn&#039;t bring myself to vote for either of them, hence my vote for Jill Stein.&nbsp; However, most Trump and Clinton supporters I know have basically said they are voting against the other candidate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 21985, member: 35"] The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full time. It does not count for different job positions, hours worked, or different jobs. I'm sure women are more likely to be victims in domestic abuse cases, but men can still be victims of violence as well. I'm a man, yet I lock my doors, I'm extra vigilant when I go out at night, etc. That's just it. I don't care if the President is a man, woman, gay, straight, Christian, Jewish, or an atheist. What matters is where they stand on policy, are they prone to flip-flopping, have they done anything unethical or illegal, etc. However, the DNC chose to ignore that in the pursuit of nominating their first female presidential candidate. That's why you have Clinton supporters like Madeleine Albright saying there's a special place in hell for woman who don't support other woman, the labeling of Bernie Sanders and his supporters as sexists, and so on. The DNC scheduled the debates around football and threatened to attack Sanders over his religious views. Where was their impartiality? Where was their tolerance? The Democratic Party was once seen as home to progressives, but has been taken over by corporatists, war hawks, and corrupt establishment hacks. Now let's look at Trump. He has said horrible things about women, the disabled, and minorities. His foreign policy consists of killing the family members of terrorists. He wants American Muslims to register in a database, and he wants to keep foreign Muslims from traveling to the US. And while I believe border security and immigration control are important, I don't think forcing Mexico to pay for a wall we build is fair or realistic. Still, as horrible as I find all of that to be, he is to the left of Hillary on trade deals like NAFTA and the TPP. Also, his defense of Social Security and Medicare is at least on par with Hillary. Whether Trump wins or loses, having Hillary as his rival gave him his best chance at winning. He's running against a woman who supported her husband's policies of anti-gay legislation, criminal justice reform that disproportionately locked up black people, and welfare reform that hurt poor families. As a Senator, she supported the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. As Secretary of State, she was involved in the wars in Libya and Syria. So what you end up with is a guy who says awful things, and a woman who has supported atrocious polices, misused her email account, has accepted money from Middle Eastern countries, and is involved in pay to play scandals with the Clinton foundation. Criticisms of her looks and pant suits are superficial distractions, and her sticking with Bill is her business. However, that doesn't mean her policy record and scandals are off limits. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them, hence my vote for Jill Stein. However, most Trump and Clinton supporters I know have basically said they are voting [I]against[/I] the other candidate. [/QUOTE]

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