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Angela Rayner is right, Diane Abbott should be given the whip back, in fact, it should never have been taken away from her.
It absolutely should have been taken away from her.

Anyway latest from YouGov puts the Tories at 19% just 4% ahead of Reform on 15%. Interestingly it has Reform ahead of the Tories among men. Labour way out in front on 44%.
 

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The date for announcing any election on 2nd May has now passed. Suggests an October election.
 

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I'm not a UK voter but I'm curious looking at the polls it's always been on the cards that the conservatives would pay for there nonsense.my question is this though just how worthy of office are labour?. Is this Keir Starmer version of the party the next beat thing since the Blair days or is it the weak state of the tories that will decide the election? Would Labour under starmer have defeated Cameron in 2015 or May in 17 or that Johnson creature in 19?
 

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And we're off, Rishi Sunak has announced the general election, soaking wet and drowned out by Things Can Only Get Better.

Meanwhile Kier Starmer gave his speech indoors and with no unwanted background music.

The latter is our next Prime Minister. Thankfully.
 

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I hope people who voted for this sh*show of a government that has done so much damage to our country will now do what's best for Britain and vote the Tories out of office.
 

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What are the chances of Reform making a real dent in the results ?

There biggest impact is likely to be handing Labour a few extra seats by splitting the Conservative/Reform right-wing vote. However I doubt it'll make a massive difference.
 

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First TV Debate of the campaign will be on ITV on Tuesday from 9pm. Head to head between Rishi Sunak and Kier Starmer.

No confirmation of when the BBC debate will be yet.
 

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I'm not a UK voter but I'm curious looking at the polls it's always been on the cards that the conservatives would pay for there nonsense.my question is this though just how worthy of office are labour?. Is this Keir Starmer version of the party the next beat thing since the Blair days or is it the weak state of the tories that will decide the election? Would Labour under starmer have defeated Cameron in 2015 or May in 17 or that Johnson creature in 19?
You raise a good point. Like him or loathe him, Blair managed to get the Labour party to consolidate and, publicly at least, show cohesion.

Under Starmer's leadership I'm not seeing one party, one entity with defined goals.

The Tory's could well hand Labour the win because their chaotic ways.
 

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You raise a good point. Like him or loathe him, Blair managed to get the Labour party to consolidate and, publicly at least, show cohesion.

Under Starmer's leadership I'm not seeing one party, one entity with defined goals.

The Tory's could well hand Labour the win because their chaotic ways.
The polls have Labour on course for their highest vote share (44.0% on Guardian poll of polls) since 1966.

The difference being in that election the Tories got 41.9% and - whereas this time they're polling at 23.4% (Again Guardian poll of polls).

The Tory party have definitely imploded and will lose a lot of seats but Labour simply wouldn't be polling this high if there wasn't some enthusiasm for Starmer's version of the Labour Party. It's not the version of the party I'd prefer (2017 showed Labour can win on a left-wing stand and this dive to the centre is cynical) but disaffected centre-right Tories - those he's trying to attract are obviously willing to vote for it. Us long Labour voting members are being taken for granted as they've assumed we'll still vote for them 'because they're better than the Tories'.
 

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The polls have Labour on course for their highest vote share (44.0% on Guardian poll of polls) since 1966.

The difference being in that election the Tories got 41.9% and - whereas this time they're polling at 23.4% (Again Guardian poll of polls).

The Tory party have definitely imploded and will lose a lot of seats but Labour simply wouldn't be polling this high if there wasn't some enthusiasm for Starmer's version of the Labour Party. It's not the version of the party I'd prefer (2017 showed Labour can win on a left-wing stand and this dive to the centre is cynical) but disaffected centre-right Tories - those he's trying to attract are obviously willing to vote for it. Us long Labour voting members are being taken for granted as they've assumed we'll still vote for them 'because they're better than the Tories'.
I can't vote for Stamer's version of the Labour Party so for the first time ever I'll be voting Green. I think he's turned the party into a Tory-lite austerity party that is Islamophobic and anti-black racist. That might appeal to former Tory voters but it goes against my fundamental beliefs.

I think the anger and hatred that voters have for the Tories, because of the damage they have done to our country, is way stronger than any enthusiasm for Labour.

Stamer's move to the right will just encourage the Tories to move further right to distinguish themselves from Labour and when people eventually become disenchanted with Labour the main alternative for people to vote for will be a far-right party which will be a disaster for our country. If that happens, Starmer will be partly responsible for that.
 
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Bizarre to see that bufoon Boris Johnson wheeled out as if he was some great statesman instead of the self serving law breaking idiot that he is. Are there people who really think he's the saviour ?
 

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I see The UK, like The US etc, has a wacky election system. Labour got 33.8% of all votes, but gets 63.1% of all seats in the Parliament. Huh???
 

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I see The UK, like The US etc, has a wacky election system. Labour got 33.8% of all votes, but gets 63.1% of all seats in the Parliament. Huh???

It's the First Past the Post system - there's been calls for many years from small parties for it to be overhauled but the argument for it is that it brings strong governments as they usually get a majority of seats in parliament by being ahead on vote share (as they won more of the 650 separate constituency contests). Although this election is a particularly egregious example of the disproportionality given the Reform/Con vote splitting. Traditionally it's left and centre-left parties that lose out due to it, so it's nice to see Labour benefit for a change - and that's from someone who supports PR.

Clegg tried to get AV brought in during the coalition but the issue was even those who supported PR didn't want AV.
 
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