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<blockquote data-quote="Gabriel Maxwell" data-source="post: 17998" data-attributes="member: 121">It most certainly has everything to do with the customer. It is irrelevant that the business would be willing to sell the customer a non-gay cake. That&#039;s not what the customer wants. If they are willing to fulfil other people&#039;s wishes/orders, but not the wishes of this particular customer, i.e. there is inconsistency in what they are willing to do for their customers based upon their personal religious belief, then they are discriminating against that customer. His order does not break any laws, only the personal belief system of the business, which should have no place in the service industry. If they&#039;re not willing to provide service for all, then they should only be baking cakes for themselves and earn their living in a different manner.Yes, belief can be irrational if it is completely disconnected from reality and there is absolutely no evidence to support it, as opposed to rational belief which is a logical conclusion based upon available information. But, that&#039;s completely beside the point. Rational or irrational, religious doctrine and the guidelines that its followers are supposed to abide by - such as stoning cheating women to death and not eating shrimp, but of course they prefer to ignore those and cherry pick homosexuality - have zero place in business and service to the general public.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gabriel Maxwell, post: 17998, member: 121"] It most certainly has everything to do with the customer. It is irrelevant that the business would be willing to sell the customer a non-gay cake. That's not what the customer wants. If they are willing to fulfil other people's wishes/orders, but not the wishes of this particular customer, i.e. there is inconsistency in what they are willing to do for their customers based upon their personal religious belief, then they are discriminating against that customer. His order does not break any laws, only the personal belief system of the business, which should have no place in the service industry. If they're not willing to provide service for all, then they should only be baking cakes for themselves and earn their living in a different manner. Yes, belief can be irrational if it is completely disconnected from reality and there is absolutely no evidence to support it, as opposed to rational belief which is a logical conclusion based upon available information. But, that's completely beside the point. Rational or irrational, religious doctrine and the guidelines that its followers are supposed to abide by - such as stoning cheating women to death and not eating shrimp, but of course they prefer to ignore those and cherry pick homosexuality - have zero place in business and service to the general public. [/QUOTE]

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