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There is a certain attitude in Western countries towards East-European countries that is similar to Africa and Asia which is usually shared in far-right circles.
Prince William Makes Racist Comment
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The writer of this article makes a very good point that it's wrong to say William's comments are due to ignorance because he had the best education that money could buy at Eton School.
"Mr ‘we are very much not a racist family’ is giving real energy in shamelessly parroting racist rhetoric normalising wars outside Europe which inevitably dehumanises lives of many Black and Brown people fleeing from war torn countries and fuels the continued dehumanisation of their lives and how they are treated as refugees.
Prince William knows better but chooses to do the opposite because he is utterly indifferent to racism in all of its forms experienced by Africans and Asians."
www.voice-online.co.uk
"Mr ‘we are very much not a racist family’ is giving real energy in shamelessly parroting racist rhetoric normalising wars outside Europe which inevitably dehumanises lives of many Black and Brown people fleeing from war torn countries and fuels the continued dehumanisation of their lives and how they are treated as refugees.
Prince William knows better but chooses to do the opposite because he is utterly indifferent to racism in all of its forms experienced by Africans and Asians."
Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu: It’s time to call out Prince William on racism
The royal claimed war is 'alien' to Europe. Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu writes that the Duke is dehumanising Africans, Asians and non-white ethnic groups.
www.voice-online.co.uk
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But you're apparently fit to speculate as to whether or not someone is racist because you're in their head and know their intentions, right?People can speculate or make false claims but they should expect to be called out on them when the facts do not support what they are saying.
If people didn't promote conspiracy theories on their YouTube channels they wouldn't be accused of being conspiracy theorists. It's not just me calling him that, many people share my opinion. The Rational Wiki website lays out many of his conspiracy theories (and his sexual harassment of a woman) and anyone can read what he has said any make up their own minds about what he is.
Jimmy Dore
James Patrick Anthony "Jimmy" Dore (1965–), also known as the Twitter sock puppet @libtard01 or TwoCoats, is an American wannabe, failed, pseudo-comedian, syncretic political commentator, and conspiracy theorist.[1] He is the eponymous host of The Jimmy Dore Show and former[2] co-host of...rationalwiki.org
I don't know why you decided to deflect from your own speculation of Prince William's racism to Jimmy Dore. My point was that you shouldn't casually accuse people of being conspiracy theorists if you do your own speculating. However, I'm willing to play along. As someone who trusts the neoliberal establishment, perhaps you're not aware that labeling their detractors "conspiracy theorists" is a common smear tactic they use to shut down and dismiss criticism. In the so-called "Rational Wiki" you cited, they claim Dore is a conspiracy theorist because he says you shouldn't believe the government or the mainstream media. On those counts, Jimmy Dore is correct. I don't know if the CIA actually invented the term "conspiracy theorist," but they do engage in conspiracy theories. WMDs in Iraq and Russia gate were arguably the biggest lies and conspiracy theories promoted this century by the US government, US intelligence agencies, and the mainstream media. They've also lied us in to many other wars, and they're purposely leaving out the role of NATO and the US in provoking the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As for the US intelligence agencies, even they've occasionally let their masks slip:
Nobody is infallible, and people should question everything because mainstream institutions clearly can't be trusted. The Rational Wiki mocked Dore for saying his show contains information you won't hear on mainstream news, even though that's true. That's because Dore often interviews journalists mainstream outlets won't touch because they don't want their narrative challenged. Unlike MSNBC and CNN, Dore has on journalists that challenge official narratives such as Russia gate or the invasion of Ukraine.
As for Dore's "sexual harassment of a woman," that is also nonsense. That's a reference to Ana Kasparian, who was Jimmy's former co-worker at The Young Turks. Kasparian bent over in a skirt and accidentally flashed the news room her thong. Being a comic, Dore joked "nice news skirt." Kasparian was incredibly embarrassed. Dore felt bad afterwards, and sent her an apology. Dore and Kasparian were on good terms until Dore's falling out with TYT over Russia gate. Years later, Kasparian got into a huge feud with journalist Aaron Maté over his reporting on Syria. Dore did a series of videos siding with Maté over TYT. In response, Kasparian messaged Dore and threatened to blackmail him by bringing up this resolved incident. Dore chose to get out ahead of it. He owned up to telling a joke in poor taste, and said Kasparian accepted his apology at the time.
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You don't care the slightest for the original topic racism which you have in common with a lot of basement wannabe lefties and you're losing any rest of credibility here.
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Projection much?
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The "original topic" consisted of taking what Prince William said and equating it with racism. An ignorant comment is not necessarily racist just because someone says it is.
The original poster has a habit of accusing me of pushing conspiracy theories in various threads here, yet here he is speculating that Prince William is racist.
I also don't live in a basement, and I don't care what you think of my credibility. You sound like you have a lot in common with the wannabe lefties of the authoritarian variety.
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I was reminded of this thread (which I've only dipped into here and there) while listening to Jon Ronson's typically fascinating new podcast series 'Things Fell Apart: Strange Tales from the Culture Wars', particularly during the final episode which talks about the intention behind versus the impact of (what are perceived as) racist comments and actions. Traditionally, I've always been a big fan of saying things like "nuance" and "I hate to generalise" and "case by case basis" -- you know, intention is all. But going down that path, one can make the case that almost no comment is racist, up to and including Boris Johnson describing Muslim women as pillar boxes. "That's not racism, that's just being robust!" as one white British TV pundit indignantly informed a Black woman a couple of years ago. But if you're on the receiving end of all that robustness on a daily basis, then perhaps all those individual case-by-case intentions become less relevant than their cumulative impact.
www.bbc.co.uk
BBC Radio 4 - Things Fell Apart, Series 1, A Mock Slave Auction
Strange tales from the culture wars by Jon Ronson.
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We are going off topic but as you referenced me I will respond.
Prince William saying war in Africa and Asia is what we expect from those regions but not what we expect in Europe in my opinion is racist because it deliberates ignores the facts which show the opposite is true. He was playing into the false racist narrative that people in the west are more civilised and don't need to resort to war to settle differences. Willie (and other members of his family) has a history of saying things which are considered to be racist (e.g. he blamed African population growth for wildlife loss and is widely believed to be the Royal who was "concerned" about the colour of Harry and Meghan's first child) and this latest comment is just another example of his casual racism.
The counter argument that his comments were down to ignorance is not believable as he had the most expensive education at Britain's top private school and he and his family have travelled the world at the expense of UK taxpayers to see all these countries first had so he should be more aware of international affairs than most people. Willie was so concerned that his racism was being exposed that Buckingham Palace put pressure on the journalist who first reported the comments to claim he misheard what was said even though others have since confirmed they heard his comments.
For a long time you have posted a succession of videos by Jimmy Dore which I mostly disagreed with but ignored until you started posting material which I considered to be dangerous misinformation. Videos suggesting that the SARS-CoV-2 virus or the resulting disease Covid-19 were less serious than was the reality or that Covid deaths were being exaggerated or that vaccines were not as safe as we were being told or that "big pharma" was behind exaggerating the danger to boost their profits were all conspiracies promoted by Mr Dore which are demonstrably untrue. All this dangerous nonsense deserved to be challenged.
I just did a Google search for a definition of conspiracy theory and the first result it came up with was "a belief that some covert but influential organisation is responsible for an unexplained event." Doesn't that EXACTLY describe opinions that Jimmy Dore is promoting?
I think comparing calling out Prince William's racism with you promoting Jimmy Dore's conspiracy theories is a false equivalence.
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This is a really good point and in fact it's how racism is treated in employment law. The intention of the person saying or behaving in a racist (or sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, etc.) manner is not an acceptable defence, the crucial issue is how it is perceived by the person on the receiving end. In law, ignorance is not an accepted excuse for behaving in a bigoted way.I was reminded of this thread (which I've only dipped into here and there) while listening to Jon Ronson's typically fascinating new podcast series 'Things Fall Apart: Strange Tales from the Culture Wars', particularly during the final episode which talks about the intention behind versus the impact of (what are perceived as) racist comments and actions. Traditionally, I've always been a big fan of saying things like "nuance" and "I hate to generalise" and "case by case basis" -- you know, intention is all. But going down that path, one can make the case that almost no comment is racist, up to and including Boris Johnson describing Muslim women as pillar boxes. "That's not racism, that's just being robust!" as one white British TV pundit indignantly informed a Black woman a couple of years ago. But if you're on the receiving end of all that robustness on a daily basis, then perhaps all those individual case-by-case intentions become less relevant than their cumulative impact.
BBC Radio 4 - Things Fell Apart, Series 1, A Mock Slave Auction
Strange tales from the culture wars by Jon Ronson.
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I love the people of Belize for doing this:
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Jamaicans that I know, and people of Jamaican descent, have a lot of respect for how Harry has not only acknowledged this mistake and how much it upset people but how it prompted him to learn more about the hurt that racism can cause and how he has subsequently become an ally of the anti-racist movement. Meanwhile, the rest of the Windsors are in denial of their own racism, including the Queen who asked be be exempt from race relations and equality legislation.
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Lots of strong opinions on this subject, I notice.
I don't know much about the Royal Family, being an American, and I mostly don't care about them.
My impression is that their roles are mostly ceremonial, and the British taxpayers subsidize their lifestyle and activities.
I would think that the government leaders are the ones whose actions have more of an impact than the royals on people's lives.
That is not to excuse the deeds of the Royals, and I really can't make a judgement of what is in their minds about various issues.
I would however proceed with caution about labeling anyone a racist, as it has become too easy to use that tag
when someone expresses an unpopular or perhaps uninformed opinion.
It can stifle meaningful debate, and further divide people who are already intense in their opinions
and may harden them in their stance rather than discuss the topics in a reasonable manner.
I want to make it clear that I am not excusing bad behavior by anyone,
I am only saying we should all be careful about a quick judgement about the subject
Example, in the USA, the media quickly judged 3 Duke lacrosse players guilty of terrible acts
without performing due diligence and reasonable fact checking.
When the facts did emerge, the reality was quite different and the media had to admit a failure
to conduct reasonable reporting and the public official in charge had to resign, and face responsibility
for unjust accusations.
I don't know much about the Royal Family, being an American, and I mostly don't care about them.
My impression is that their roles are mostly ceremonial, and the British taxpayers subsidize their lifestyle and activities.
I would think that the government leaders are the ones whose actions have more of an impact than the royals on people's lives.
That is not to excuse the deeds of the Royals, and I really can't make a judgement of what is in their minds about various issues.
I would however proceed with caution about labeling anyone a racist, as it has become too easy to use that tag
when someone expresses an unpopular or perhaps uninformed opinion.
It can stifle meaningful debate, and further divide people who are already intense in their opinions
and may harden them in their stance rather than discuss the topics in a reasonable manner.
I want to make it clear that I am not excusing bad behavior by anyone,
I am only saying we should all be careful about a quick judgement about the subject
Example, in the USA, the media quickly judged 3 Duke lacrosse players guilty of terrible acts
without performing due diligence and reasonable fact checking.
When the facts did emerge, the reality was quite different and the media had to admit a failure
to conduct reasonable reporting and the public official in charge had to resign, and face responsibility
for unjust accusations.
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I agree with this and I wouldn't call the Royal Family racist if there were just one or two incidents but it's a pattern of behaviour over a long period of time. There comes a point when you have to wonder why someone repeatedly makes comments which present black people negatively or white people as though they are superior if it is not motivated by racism.
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I really hope so. My respect for him would grow exponentially if he did.Well............... maybe William will, too.
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Saying someone is "widely believed" to have said or done something is itself a conspiracy theory.
Prior to Covid, the majority of Jimmy Dore videos I posted were about US politics. I'm not sure what it was you "disagreed with," unless it was Dore's left wing perspective.
As for Covid, what about the lies from the mainstream media? I covered those lies with outside reporting in relevant threads here. Shouldn't "demonstrably untrue" information matter more when it comes from sources such as health officials and the mainstream media? In contrast, Jimmy Dore is a self-proclaimed "jagoff comedian in his garage" who rightly questions mainstream narratives. And yet he was still correct that the vaccinated can contract and spread Covid (Dore is double vaxxed and developed long Covid.) He was also correct that the greed of big pharma led to predominantly wealthy countries receiving the vaccine. Again, that's validated by outside reporting.
I'm sure those "influential organizations" love that definition because they can point to it anytime they're accused of doing something nefarious. I guess it's just a coincidence that the media cheers on western imperialism while treating Russian imperialism like a tragedy. Again, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that big pharma provided the vaccine to wealthy countries, while leaving poor countries largely unvaccinated. And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the US media pushed Russia-gate against Trump, while claiming Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation"(we now know that's a lie.) The US media also bashed Trump for his racism, while giving Biden a pass for his racism.
Speaking of which, that brings me back to the original topic. Are racist comments (perceived or otherwise) worse than racist actions? I admittedly know little about the royals, but I do recall you telling me before that Joe Biden isn't racist. Is it really not racist to work with segregationists, to say you don't want your kids to grow up in a racial jungle, or to write the crime bill that predominantly targeted black people for non-violent offenses? From my perspective, those thoughts and actions come across as far more racist and bigoted. Even VP Kamala Harris once joked that she smoked weed due to her Jamaican heritage. Her own father wasn't amused, and called her comment "a travesty."
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