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<blockquote data-quote="Spells &amp; Karma" data-source="post: 393917" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>Not having studied the new legislation, what I haven't worked out is how this differs from the Equality Act 2010 which covers the same protected characteristics anyway.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, even the article I linked back in post #1 described the second part as containing "a separate misogyny law". If the second bill covers both sexes (as it should) then it's horribly misleading.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been watching<em> Judy Justice</em> recently. During case summaries, something she and her law clerk granddaughter frequently discuss is that it's usually women who are taken advantage of financially by men rather than the other way round. They draw this conclusion because this type of case has a disproportionately high number of women suing men (usually ex-partners).</p><p></p><p>The determination always irritates me because what it actually proves is simply that more women take legal action. Over and above male dishonesty there are many plausible reasons why this might be the case. These range from women so frequently receiving preferable treatment in the legal system, as well as in the eyes of society ("believe all women") to men being characterised as bullies for pursuing exes in this way, to simply men being more inclined to move on.</p><p></p><p>This philosophy could also be applied to cases based on gender prejudice. There's still a huge societal stigma around men tackling misandrist comments, behaviours and even crimes. To do anything about it, a man risks being perceived as weak, lacking in humour (because we're supposed to laugh such things off) or a bully.</p><p></p><p>In addition go the legal system's preferential treatment of women and the societal hurdles involved in men reporting , we now have a law created to provide equity between genders being purloined to create inequity and make it even more difficult for men to know they even <em>have</em> any legal recourse.</p><p></p><p>I'm not disagreeing that women are more likely to be targets, nor am I diminishing how difficult it is for many women to report these crimes. All the same, I do wonder just how overwhelming that gender difference would be if <u><em>unreported</em></u> crimes and incidents were included.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely.</p><p></p><p>I also think it's extremely damaging to pick out cases of extreme criminality to prove the point. One can do that for any minority group and we all know that has been done in the past to "other" and vilify some of those groups. And some people, sadly, will read these posts, buy into the ugliness and target all trans people with the same brush.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. As I said in the first post, it's like Brexit and Immigration: people can't see past that one component and it ends up becoming the <u><em>only</em></u> thing that is seen or discussed.</p><p></p><p>I can't imagine that kind of monomania is going to be any more helpful or productive in 2024 than it was in 2016.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spells & Karma, post: 393917, member: 23"] Not having studied the new legislation, what I haven't worked out is how this differs from the Equality Act 2010 which covers the same protected characteristics anyway. Yes, even the article I linked back in post #1 described the second part as containing "a separate misogyny law". If the second bill covers both sexes (as it should) then it's horribly misleading. I've been watching[I] Judy Justice[/I] recently. During case summaries, something she and her law clerk granddaughter frequently discuss is that it's usually women who are taken advantage of financially by men rather than the other way round. They draw this conclusion because this type of case has a disproportionately high number of women suing men (usually ex-partners). The determination always irritates me because what it actually proves is simply that more women take legal action. Over and above male dishonesty there are many plausible reasons why this might be the case. These range from women so frequently receiving preferable treatment in the legal system, as well as in the eyes of society ("believe all women") to men being characterised as bullies for pursuing exes in this way, to simply men being more inclined to move on. This philosophy could also be applied to cases based on gender prejudice. There's still a huge societal stigma around men tackling misandrist comments, behaviours and even crimes. To do anything about it, a man risks being perceived as weak, lacking in humour (because we're supposed to laugh such things off) or a bully. In addition go the legal system's preferential treatment of women and the societal hurdles involved in men reporting , we now have a law created to provide equity between genders being purloined to create inequity and make it even more difficult for men to know they even [I]have[/I] any legal recourse. I'm not disagreeing that women are more likely to be targets, nor am I diminishing how difficult it is for many women to report these crimes. All the same, I do wonder just how overwhelming that gender difference would be if [U][I]unreported[/I][/U] crimes and incidents were included. Absolutely. I also think it's extremely damaging to pick out cases of extreme criminality to prove the point. One can do that for any minority group and we all know that has been done in the past to "other" and vilify some of those groups. And some people, sadly, will read these posts, buy into the ugliness and target all trans people with the same brush. Yes. As I said in the first post, it's like Brexit and Immigration: people can't see past that one component and it ends up becoming the [U][I]only[/I][/U] thing that is seen or discussed. I can't imagine that kind of monomania is going to be any more helpful or productive in 2024 than it was in 2016. [/QUOTE]
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