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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 20756" data-attributes="member: 35">And the DNC conspired to have a woman as their nominee...if that tells you anything.&nbsp; Not to mention the fact that she&#039;s consistently polled higher than Trump.Any time a woman has her detractors, people automatically cry sexism.&nbsp; It&#039;s become a convenient device to shut down any criticism of a woman, be it legitimate or not.Are there men who refuse to vote for a woman?&nbsp; Of course.&nbsp; Is that the main reason why independent, progressive, and moderate men wouldn&#039;t vote for Hillary?&nbsp; So far, all I&#039;ve heard are assumptions.A lot of men are offended by Trump&#039;s sexism, and are voting for Jill Stein.&nbsp; That&#039;s a bit of nuance Obama seemed to miss.I need to see numbers before I believe that progressives wouldn&#039;t vote for Hillary solely because she&#039;s a woman.&nbsp; After all, we&#039;re part of an ideological group that&#039;s most likely to support women&#039;s rights. That is arguably the best thing to come out of Bill Clinton&#039;s Presidency, but it wasn&#039;t all sunshine and roses.&nbsp; Criminal justice reform led to mass incarcerations, anti-gay legislation concerning the military and marriage was passed, as was welfare reform.&nbsp; Hillary supported all of these policies.&nbsp; Hillary is often hailed as a champion of women&#039;s rights, but how many poverty stricken mothers were hurt by the gutting of welfare in the 90s? George Carlin said it best when he said &quot;garbage in, garbage out.&quot;&nbsp; Apathy and ignorance is how we end up with our politicians.Yes, I think it&#039;s fair to say that they overplayed their hand in the pursuit of their desire for power.It will still be at somebody else&#039;s expense.&nbsp; Most likely civilians in the Middle East.&nbsp; Don&#039;t expect the NSA&#039;s surveillance of us to stop anytime soon either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 20756, member: 35"] And the DNC conspired to have a woman as their nominee...if that tells you anything. Not to mention the fact that she's consistently polled higher than Trump. Any time a woman has her detractors, people automatically cry sexism. It's become a convenient device to shut down any criticism of a woman, be it legitimate or not. Are there men who refuse to vote for a woman? Of course. Is that the main reason why independent, progressive, and moderate men wouldn't vote for Hillary? So far, all I've heard are assumptions. [SIZE=4] A lot of men are offended by Trump's sexism, and are voting for Jill Stein. That's a bit of nuance Obama seemed to miss. I need to see numbers before I believe that progressives wouldn't vote for Hillary solely because she's a woman. After all, we're part of an ideological group that's most likely to support women's rights. [/SIZE] That is arguably the best thing to come out of Bill Clinton's Presidency, but it wasn't all sunshine and roses. Criminal justice reform led to mass incarcerations, anti-gay legislation concerning the military and marriage was passed, as was welfare reform. Hillary supported all of these policies. Hillary is often hailed as a champion of women's rights, but how many poverty stricken mothers were hurt by the gutting of welfare in the 90s? George Carlin said it best when he said "garbage in, garbage out." Apathy and ignorance is how we end up with our politicians. Yes, I think it's fair to say that they overplayed their hand in the pursuit of their desire for power. It will still be at somebody else's expense. Most likely civilians in the Middle East. Don't expect the NSA's surveillance of us to stop anytime soon either. [/QUOTE]

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