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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson" data-source="post: 310674" data-attributes="member: 5079"><p>There's a valid comparison to INFINITY WAR and those double-sized annuals -- epic in scale, with lots of guest appearances and cross overs -- but as you note, those stories tended to be self-contained. INFINITY WAR is both the culmination of plots that have been building for a decade, and also a cliffhanger. It's nearly impossible to judge this movie by any normal cinematic standards of narrative fiction; although I suppose someone <em>could</em> watch it in isolation, it's obviously not meant to be and I suspect very few people have watched IW without seeing at least some previous Marvel films. All standard expectations of self-contained story, emotional arcs and character development are somewhat moot. This movie is, as you note, an event. Like CIVIL WAR -- only more so --INFINTY WAR manages to juggle a massive cast of characters and give each of them moments to shine that felt accurate to their personas.</p><p></p><p>And what an event! Although I have seen all MCU films since TWS (minus one) in theaters, overall I am fairly ambivalent to the theater-going experience. INFINTY WAR was an exception. The energy level of the audience was off-the-charts. There were a few scenes that resulted in thunderous applause. (Although that may be a distinctly American reaction. In talking to Canadian and British friends, it seems the theater experience is much more staid elsewhere.)</p><p></p><p>I started to give thoughts to specifics in the film, but caught myself -- some of those, in fact, happened in END GAME, so spoilers narrowly averted! I'll have to refresh my memories in INFNITY WAR specifics before commenting in detail.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm, I must admit I'm not sure where that reference was. I don't recall Captain Marvel being mentioned or implied prior to the end of INFINITY WAR; if so, there's a little tidbit I missed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am fairly indifferent about both Ant-Man films; they're passable entertainment but too frivolous for the genre for my taste. (Although that's preferable to being overly dour.) Everything about both films -- the tone, the supporting characters, the trope of the guy as a goof and the woman as the ultra-component scold -- feels like a sitcom. As much fun as it has been, having Ant-Man with shrinking <em>and</em> growing powers just doesn't match the character's motif.</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: The Winter Soldier</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: Civil War</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor: Ragnarok</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Avengers: Infinity War</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Avengers</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Captain America: The First Avenger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Spider-Man: Homecoming</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Black Panther</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Doctor Strange</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Avengers: Age of Ultron</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The Incredible Hulk</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ant-Man</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Ant-Man and the Wasp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man 3</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Iron Man 2</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Thor: The Dark World</li> </ol><p></p><p>Updated: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-4ddvnoKiXP-GKSDUJM-e0Fu1nCdyv6Kf-VyMeokpU/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">MCU Ratings on Google Sheets</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crimson, post: 310674, member: 5079"] There's a valid comparison to INFINITY WAR and those double-sized annuals -- epic in scale, with lots of guest appearances and cross overs -- but as you note, those stories tended to be self-contained. INFINITY WAR is both the culmination of plots that have been building for a decade, and also a cliffhanger. It's nearly impossible to judge this movie by any normal cinematic standards of narrative fiction; although I suppose someone [I]could[/I] watch it in isolation, it's obviously not meant to be and I suspect very few people have watched IW without seeing at least some previous Marvel films. All standard expectations of self-contained story, emotional arcs and character development are somewhat moot. This movie is, as you note, an event. Like CIVIL WAR -- only more so --INFINTY WAR manages to juggle a massive cast of characters and give each of them moments to shine that felt accurate to their personas. And what an event! Although I have seen all MCU films since TWS (minus one) in theaters, overall I am fairly ambivalent to the theater-going experience. INFINTY WAR was an exception. The energy level of the audience was off-the-charts. There were a few scenes that resulted in thunderous applause. (Although that may be a distinctly American reaction. In talking to Canadian and British friends, it seems the theater experience is much more staid elsewhere.) I started to give thoughts to specifics in the film, but caught myself -- some of those, in fact, happened in END GAME, so spoilers narrowly averted! I'll have to refresh my memories in INFNITY WAR specifics before commenting in detail. Hmm, I must admit I'm not sure where that reference was. I don't recall Captain Marvel being mentioned or implied prior to the end of INFINITY WAR; if so, there's a little tidbit I missed. I am fairly indifferent about both Ant-Man films; they're passable entertainment but too frivolous for the genre for my taste. (Although that's preferable to being overly dour.) Everything about both films -- the tone, the supporting characters, the trope of the guy as a goof and the woman as the ultra-component scold -- feels like a sitcom. As much fun as it has been, having Ant-Man with shrinking [I]and[/I] growing powers just doesn't match the character's motif. [LIST=1] [*]Captain America: The Winter Soldier [*]Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1 [*]Captain America: Civil War [*]Thor: Ragnarok [*]The Avengers: Infinity War [*]The Avengers [*]Iron Man [*]Captain America: The First Avenger [*]Spider-Man: Homecoming [*]Black Panther [*]Doctor Strange [*]Avengers: Age of Ultron [*]Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 [*]Thor [*]The Incredible Hulk [*]Ant-Man [*]Ant-Man and the Wasp [*]Iron Man 3 [*]Iron Man 2 [*]Thor: The Dark World [/LIST] Updated: [URL='https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-4ddvnoKiXP-GKSDUJM-e0Fu1nCdyv6Kf-VyMeokpU/edit?usp=sharing']MCU Ratings on Google Sheets[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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