Who Was More To Blame In Ray and Donna’s Marriage Falling Apart?

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Their relationship was probably the most frustrating to watch because both were good people that couldn’t get past their differences.

On one hand Donna was content with Ray never being anything other than “the cowboy she fell in love with.” Anything he tried to do that didn’t involve a horse she would give him the old “Ray, what do you know about this or that?” Or “Ray, you’re going to get hurt.” Even Clayton chastised Ray when he was knee deep involved with JR when Cliff and Jamie was going after Ewing Oil. They did treat Ray as if he was some kid.

Ray on the other hand was undoubtedly the most insecure person on the show. Anything Donna accomplished made him got jealous. He was perfectly content with Donna staying home and having a hot meal waiting for him when he got home. He had to know that that wasn’t Donna.

Their breakup was definitely both their faults because Donna didn’t want Ray to change in the least and Ray wanted Donna to change to suit his insecurities.
 

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In the beginning, Ray tried to convince Donna that he was just a cowboy and their lives were so different that they wouldn’t be a good fit in the long run, but Donna wouldn’t have it. She convinced him that was nonsense. As time went on, however, she desired to do more and more as a career, and it drove a wedge. I do t recall exact words, but I remember when they were parting, she and Ray talked at Southfork. She reminded Ray that he was happy being what he was, but she needed to do things. I thought, “duh,” that’s what Ray tried to tell her a long time ago.
 

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Their relationship was probably the most frustrating to watch because both were good people that couldn’t get past their differences.

On one hand Donna was content with Ray never being anything other than “the cowboy she fell in love with.” Anything he tried to do that didn’t involve a horse she would give him the old “Ray, what do you know about this or that?” Or “Ray, you’re going to get hurt.” Even Clayton chastised Ray when he was knee deep involved with JR when Cliff and Jamie was going after Ewing Oil. They did treat Ray as if he was some kid.

Ray on the other hand was undoubtedly the most insecure person on the show. Anything Donna accomplished made him got jealous. He was perfectly content with Donna staying home and having a hot meal waiting for him when he got home. He had to know that that wasn’t Donna.

Their breakup was definitely both their faults because Donna didn’t want Ray to change in the least and Ray wanted Donna to change to suit his insecurities.

They both had their fair share of blame for it not working out. Ray got tired of her constant need to conquer the world. He was looking for a more traditional type of marriage like Jock and Ellie had. Ray needed a wife who also wanted that. Donna belonged with a man who would enjoy having a wife with her mindset.

I think Donna was very good to Ray when he was in trouble, such as when he was facing a murder charge. When Ray was down and out and self-destructing, she was there for him. Ray cheated on Donna with Bonny. Donna was faithful to Ray and she forgave him then, which is to her credit. Maybe she understood how someone could cheat, considering she was cheating on her husband when she started her relationship with Ray, not telling him she was a married woman.

It was hardly fair that Donna, while insisting how important it was for people to broaden their horizons was so opposed to anything Ray ever did to become a more well rounded individual. She actually said to him: "People grow or they die." Well, I guess that means Ray was gonna die! According to her outlook he was, since she tried to shut him down almost any time he tried to develop, to expand his interests. It was a classic case of: "Do as I say, not as I do."

It's worth noting that near the beginning of their relationship, before they ever got married, Ray said he didn't think things could work out for them because they had so little in common and had such different interests. Donna was adamant about marrying Ray; she even went to Jock to ask him to help convince Ray to be with her! That's a bit much, don't you think?

Donna told Jock she was in love with Ray and he said he believed her, but added: "A good marriage is based on a much more stable foundation." Ray and Donna just didn't have that stable foundation.

Considering that, it's hardly one or the other's fault the marriage didn't work. If I've got to say which one was more to blame, I'd have to say Donna has some more of the blame since she's the one who ultimately stopped wanting to try to make their marriage better.

It was pretty cold to leave Ray as soon as she got pregnant and move half way across the country so he wouldn't even get to be around his kid. I can't believe that a woman in her financial positon couldn't even be bothered to take a year or two off from working for the good of her child. In those very early years it's critical for a baby to bond with the mother, who typically tries to spend as much time as she can with her baby. Not every mom can afford to take a year two off, but Donna certainly could! It's not as if she had a job she'd lose if she took that time off. In fact she was specifically moving to Washington DC to start a new career. Donna was going to become a mother, for the first time, and she couldn't justify waiting a year or two before starting the next phase of her career so she could spend that time with her baby?
 
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I thought they were good together. A shame that it was because of Leonard Katzman dropping her that led to the break up of Donna & Ray in season ten DVD count.

Ray certainly didn't work with Priscilla Presley as Jenna. They had zero chemistry together.

Steve Kanaly & Susan Mooney were just good together. I mean Susan Howard, Mooney was her real name in case you didn't know.

Both great actors, making Susan a regular was one of the best decisions the Dallas Producers ever did. :)

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It was pretty cold to leave Ray as soon as she got pregnant and move half way across the country so he wouldn't even get to be around his kid. I can't believe that a woman in her financial positon couldn't even be bothered to take a year or two off from working for the good of her child. In those very early years it's critical for a baby to bond with the mother, who typically tries to spend as much time as she can with her baby. Not every mom can afford to take a year two off, but Donna certainly could! It's not as if she had a job she'd lose if she took that time off. In fact she was specifically moving to Washington DC to start a new career. Donna was going to become a mother, for the first time, and she couldn't justify waiting a year or two before starting the next phase of her career so she could spend that time with her baby?

Blame the script writers, Susan Howard made it more than crystal clear on a Terry Wogan chat show that she did not want to be written out of Dallas and encouraged fans to write in and tell them

I did"! A huge loss to the show and one of its best actresses

I loved Ray and Donna togerther - a bit like oil and water tho

Ray had an inferiority complex and always felt he wasnt good enough for well educated and well bred and well connected Donna with her "clever and posh" friends

I missed Susan Howard in Dallas and Maryying Ray off to Jenna wasnt a great move IMHO
 

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it wasn't shown in any of the episodes, but my theory is that this snobby yuppie acquaintance of Donna kept meddling behind the scenes, JR-style, to drive them apart

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(seen above already trying to get in between them just seconds after they met for the first time)
 

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Blame the script writers, Susan Howard made it more than crystal clear on a Terry Wogan chat show that she did not want to be written out of Dallas and encouraged fans to write in and tell them

I did"! A huge loss to the show and one of its best actresses

I loved Ray and Donna togerther - a bit like oil and water tho

Ray had an inferiority complex and always felt he wasnt good enough for well educated and well bred and well connected Donna with her "clever and posh" friends

I missed Susan Howard in Dallas and Maryying Ray off to Jenna wasnt a great move IMHO

It's question asking which character we blame. The script writers aren't a character.

I think you realize this because hen I wrote: "When Ray was down and out and self-destructing, she was there for him. Ray cheated on Donna with Bonny. Donna was faithful to Ray and she forgave him then, which is to her credit" you didn't say to give the credit to the writers, did you?
 

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I don't think they were actually suited to each other outside of their core attraction. They had so little in common to begin with and neither really wanted to or could be happy changing. Ray tried his hand at business and failed miserably, hating that Donna had basically told him that was going to happen because he was going too fast. Donna tried minimising the capable, independent woman she was and failed because as expected, suppressing who you are for the benefit of someone else makes you resentful. Ray was a "nice guy" but as everyone else has mentioned, he was insecure, and that insecurity did not appreciate Donna's self-confidence. The cheating didn't help, but even if he hadn't cheated they had problems, big ones.

I feel like Ray is more to blame for the downfall of the marriage, but their incompatibility to begin with didn't set them up on solid ground anyway, so it was only a matter of time.

They should have had a fling and moved on.
 

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I feel like Ray is more to blame for the downfall of the marriage
I mostly do, too. Donna was sometimes wary of Ray's attempts to "stretch" -- not to keep him in a box, but because she was afraid he was getting in over his head and that his insecurities would cause him to double-down when things got problematic (and she was usually right). I think Ray's reservations about Donna's attempts to stretch were indeed about trying to keep her in a box.

Did it seem unfair that once she had his child, she took off for a job 2,000 miles away? Sure, but that happens a lot in real life divorces. Do I think Donna should have made more of an effort to stick around Texas so Ray could have easier access to a child he'd desperately wanted? Yes, I do, but then that gets so mixed up with the dream stuff that I can't quite remember which of Ray's babies she's having, miscarrying, and then taking away to Washington. So it's weird.
 

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Yes, I do, but then that gets so mixed up with the dream stuff that I can't quite remember which of Ray's babies she's having, miscarrying, and then taking away to Washington. So it's weird.

Same baby (sort of). Donna finds out she's pregnant before the dream begins and we get two versions of reality for the baby, I believe they're already separated in both realities but in the dream they reconcile, find out the baby has DS, Donna miscarries and then they decide to adopt Tony, in "reality" the baby is perfectly healthy, they don't reconcile and Donna moves away to Washington. Even in that situation the fact that Ray and Jenna claimed their situations were different was bizarre. They weren't, not really. Ray was happy to tell Bobby to keep away from Jenna and raise Lucas as his own, but he fought Donna to stop her doing the same thing with Andrew.
 

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One thing I will say is that I did like the way they wrote Susan Howard off the show. Jim McMullan was superb as Senator Andrew Dowling. He was a gentleman.

I would've preferred Donna and Ray sorting their differences out but Katzman clearly wanted Susan Howard off the show. So unprofessional of him to do that. :(
 
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