The Knots-verse

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Since DALLAS & KNOTS split apart in 1986 it kind of delved into the sci fi, I’m fascinated by parallel universes so was wondering what the DALLAS lot got up to in the Knotsverse and found that it was probably a lot better since:

- Pam never burned to a crisp then die two years later due to cancer

- JR wouldn’t have lost his edge

- Ray and Donna still married etc etc

It seems that what we actually got from DALLAS was the Dark Universe :-D :-D
 
James from London

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Shortly after the dream season, Val was commissioned to adapt Capricorn Crude, her "thinly-veiled" novel about life with the Dallas Ewings, into a TV movie. At one point, Lilimae says the movie could act as a "backdoor pilot" for a full series. So it's vaguely conceivable that the first eight seasons of Dallas (everything up to and including the dream) is a spinoff of Val's fictionalised version of her own real-life experiences.
 
Willie Oleson

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James from London said:
Shortly after the dream season, Val was commissioned to adapt Capricorn Crude, her "thinly-veiled" novel about life with the Dallas Ewings, into a TV movie. At one point, Lilimae says the movie could act as a "backdoor pilot" for a full series. So it's vaguely conceivable that the first eight seasons of Dallas (everything up to and including the dream) is a spinoff of Val's fictionalised version of her own real-life experiences.
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Sort of a "chicken and egg situation".
 
Toni

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Karin

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No but in the Knots version of the show Bobby remained dead so how was that not darker than what we got on Dallas?

But yeah it's interesting since if you haven't watched Knots Landing the same reasoning can also be applied to Gary and Val.

If you've only seen Gary & Val on Dallas you think that:

- They never got divorced again (since Abby never guest starred on Dallas. There was no mention at all of the second Mrs. Ewing!)
- That they never had any more children after Lucy (at least until the very last episode when "the devil" informed JR that Gary had fathered Val's twins on Knots. I think that was the only mentioning of Miss Ellie's other grandkids on Dallas)

So yeah the shows are both connected to each other and separate from each other at the same time.
 
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James from London said:
Shortly after the dream season, Val was commissioned to adapt Capricorn Crude, her "thinly-veiled" novel about life with the Dallas Ewings, into a TV movie. At one point, Lilimae says the movie could act as a "backdoor pilot" for a full series. So it's vaguely conceivable that the first eight seasons of Dallas (everything up to and including the dream) is a spinoff of Val's fictionalised version of her own real-life experiences.
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I prefer to think the entire Dallas series (and Knots Landing, of course) is a dream that Pam had after having one too many drinks as Ray's guest at the Ewing Barbecue. One minute she's gnawing on a rib, drunkenly gazing at that dreamy Bobby, thinking maybe not all Ewings are so bad after all, next thing she's passed out in a hayloft and we're looking at the red Mercedes convertible heading back to Southfork from New Orleans.

(it's possible we're all part of her dream, too - just try to prove otherwise!)
 
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J. R.'s Piece

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Karin Schill said:
No but in the Knots version of the show Bobby remained dead so how was that not darker than what we got on Dallas?

But yeah it's interesting since if you haven't watched Knots Landing the same reasoning can also be applied to Gary and Val.

If you've only seen Gary & Val on Dallas you think that:

- They never got divorced again (since Abby never guest starred on Dallas. There was no mention at all of the second Mrs. Ewing!).
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They never mentioned Bobby on Knots Landing after the time that Pam woke up. So we can’t be sure if he stayed dead.

But Lucy confirmed Gary and Valene’s split to Don Lockwood.
 
J. R.'s Piece

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Willie Oleson said:
You're thinking about money?
We will no longer exist once she wakes up!
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Relax, Willie Oleson! Speculative aspects of quantum theory imposing causal logic on the soap narrative of Bobby Ewing’s death and it’s aftermaths suggest that Pam may only be remembering the events of the parallel universe as a dream but not actually creating it. Which means that I can keep the money.
 
Willie Oleson

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J. R.'s Piece said:
Speculative aspects of quantum theory imposing causal logic on the soap narrative
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What does that mean, is it still 1978? We're growing old and die in Pam's dream?
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Wake up, bitch!!!
 
Toni

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So if I dream about "Dallas" not having been canceled and airing now its 40th season, and then I wake up in my dream and admit it was a dream, and then I wake up and see it was all a dream, where does it put "Knots"...?

:eyes::eck::spinning:
 
J. R.'s Piece

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Willie Oleson said:
What does that mean, is it still 1978? We're growing old and die in Pam's dream?
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Wake up, bitch!!!
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I don’t ever grow old, for contractual reasons. But don’t worry if she wakes up or dies. Even if you die in her sleep, take comfort in your final moments that there might be other you thingies out there. Pam experiences parallel timeline activity in her sleep. Parallel timelines where quantum outcomes occur. Possibilities playing out. Her dreaming is a gateway to alternate realities. She remembers it as a dream. No-one else knows. Officially, even I don’t know if I know. So relax and don’t think wavefunction collapse. And in the alternate realities, I still get the money.
 
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J. R.'s Piece said:
They never mentioned Bobby on Knots Landing after the time that Pam woke up. So we can’t be sure if he stayed dead.

But Lucy confirmed Gary and Valene’s split to Don Lockwood.
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I thought Lucy referred to Gary and Valene's first split up. I could be wrong of course as I haven't really watched those episodes in a long time.
 
Kenny Coyote

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Karin Schill said:
I thought Lucy referred to Gary and Valene's first split up. I could be wrong of course as I haven't really watched those episodes in a long time.
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Did Gary and Valene get divorced after their second marriage - the one where Miss Ellie bought them a house in California for a wedding gift? If so, why did they divorce the second time?

Thanks.
 
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You seriously need to watch Knots Landing @Kenny Coyote . I can recommend the show to you as it's a great drama and as close as you can get to Dallas without it being Dallas. In the first two seasons that are out on DVD there's even multiple guest appearances by Dallas favorites such as JR, Bobby, Lucy and Kristin.

But yes they did get divorced again after they got remarried the second time. Then as for the reason. I don't wanna say since it would spoil the show for you but this picture is a clue... ;)

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Karin Schill said:
I thought Lucy referred to Gary and Valene's first split up. I could be wrong of course as I haven't really watched those episodes in a long time.
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It was their later split. Nice picture. May I steal it for an avatar once again?
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Willie Oleson said:
And you're going to need it if you never grow old:)
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My Knots Landing forum contract forbids me from having grandchildren, so I make a saving.
Kenny Coyote said:
Did Gary and Valene get divorced after their second marriage - the one where Miss Ellie bought them a house in California for a wedding gift? If so, why did they divorce the second time?

Thanks.
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Gary had another affair, this time with his work colleague and neighbour, Abby Cunningham. Having previously forgiven Gary’s earlier affair with the wife of the man he was sponsoring at Alcoholics Anonymous, this time Val threw Gary out along with his mother’s furnishings.

JR had previously slept with Abby. JR was the first character on Knots Landing to spot that Abby was after Gary.

Gary cheated on Abby (who was also cheating on him) with Valene just before Gary and Abby married. Valene had Gary’s twins, having got pregnant by Gary on the day that their divorce became final. Gary and Valene remarried again many years later.
 
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