Dallas Character The return of Mark Grayson.

[pete lashmar]

Assuming that John Beck returned to Dallas before the dream scenario had been thought up and decided, was Mark Grayson due to stay on Dallas and have Pam as his wife for the long term?

Was it all so last minute that John was just dumped off the show when filming finished? That must have been harsh, especially after marrying Pam.

Also, we know that Victoria was shocked to see the shower cliffhanger, so I assume he found out after that episode had been screened.

And they say that the oil industry is cut throat!

 

[CeeCee72]

I think, had Duffy not returned, Mark was being set up to be JR's main antagonist. Remember, JR had that manslaughter college thing waiting in the wings to hold over Mark's head. So yeah, were it not for the return of Bobby and the dream season, I think Mark was a character that would have stuck around and he and Pam probably would have stayed married and battled JR together.

Would have been SO much more interesting/fun if they had found another way to bring back Bobby and we got to see Pam struggle with being torn between the two.

 

[Swami]

I wasn’t a fan of the character (or the moustache) so was happy when Pam and Bobby got back together.

Swami

 

[Lastkidpicked]

This reminds me of the original run. Mark Gaison popped up and our European friends were asking,

"Are all the men in Dallas handsome and rich?"

HAHAHAHA!

Nope! Speaking for myself, I'm in Dallas and I'm always the Last Kid Picked!

 

[Barbara Fan]

I liked Mark and liked his relationship with Pam, the downside of Pat D coming back as his "FILM" career never happened was that John Beck had to get written out,

I loved Bobby and Pam but i also liked Mark and Pam and john Beck was a very welcome addition to the show

@pete lashmar - basically Yes, he was dumped - i have some cuttings from the time - will see if i can find them.

 

[Grangehill1]

I think Mark was always written back to be short term. If Patrick hand’t have returned Pam would have found Marks dead body in the shower at the end of season 9.

The whole JR snooping into his past was presumably to set up the killer thus reigniting the Barnes Ewing feud in the next season

 

[Jabari Lamar]

I think Mark was always written back to be short term. If Patrick hand’t have returned Pam would have found Marks dead body in the shower at the end of season 9.

Yeah, that's what I remember hearing at the time, and that with his death this of course would make Pam even richer and more powerful, and she was going to join Cliff in his renewed crusade against J.R. and Ewing Oil.

 

[KayLloyd]

Assuming that John Beck returned to Dallas before the dream scenario had been thought up and decided, was Mark Grayson due to stay on Dallas and have Pam as his wife for the long term?

Was it all so last minute that John was just dumped off the show when filming finished? That must have been harsh, especially after marrying Pam.

Also, we know that Victoria was shocked to see the shower cliffhanger, so I assume he found out after that episode had been screened.

And they say that the oil industry is cut throat!

From what I understand, they brought Victoria and John back in to film an extra shower scene after filming had finished to get the shot of Victoria opening the shower door, and it was so last minute that Victoria brought her own nightgown to wear. I've seen Beck say that it was just an insignificant scene of Mark and Pam in the shower so they were left wondering why they had been called back for it. I think Beck said Katzman called him sometime later to tell him that his contact had not been renewed.

 

[Jabari Lamar]

From what I understand, they brought Victoria and John back in to film an extra shower scene after filming had finished to get the shot of Victoria opening the shower door, and it was so last minute that Victoria brought her own nightgown to wear. I've seen Beck say that it was just an insignificant scene of Mark and Pam in the shower so they were left wondering why they had been called back for it. I think Beck said Katzman called him sometime later to tell him that his contact had not been renewed.

That's interesting. I've often wondering about the exact filming of the scene, as I knew that Victoria wasn't there with Patrick but the way they had her wakeup in bed she clearly looks like she's a little confused about something, as if she just woke up from a strange dream. So I wondered what instructions she was given about how to act while it was filmed.

 

[Grangehill1]

From what I understand, they brought Victoria and John back in to film an extra shower scene after filming had finished to get the shot of Victoria opening the shower door, and it was so last minute that Victoria brought her own nightgown to wear. I've seen Beck say that it was just an insignificant scene of Mark and Pam in the shower so they were left wondering why they had been called back for it. I think Beck said Katzman called him sometime later to tell him that his contact had not been renewed.

I would love that to be true but I think this may be actors misremembering. There’s another shower scene shortly before the end of the season featuring Pam and Mark so that ‘might’ be what they were thinking of.

Would love to see/read an interview with John Beck one day about what actually happened and whether he did ever film a death scene

 

[Grangehill1]

I know there IS an interview with John Beck on ultimate Dallas where he said they were called back to do a shower scene. But I do think he’s misremembering and getting muddled with the shower scene between Pam and Mark that was actually transmitted

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

If I remember rightly Mark would've been killed off in season ten!

I think Mark was always written back to be short term. If Patrick hand’t have returned Pam would have found Marks dead body in the shower at the end of season 9.

The whole JR snooping into his past was presumably to set up the killer thus reigniting the Barnes Ewing feud in the next season

Mark dead in the shower wasn't the original season nine cliffhanger.

I only found this out quite recently.

Apparently Miss Ellie looking for Clayton would've walked into Ben Stivers bunkhouse & found Jock's things.

Whereupon Ben would've walked in on her & admitted that he was really Jock.

This scene was cut when Duffy agreed to return

 

[CeeCee72]

Ahhhh....

Interesting! And that would have been an awesome story line!

 

[CeeCee72]

Duplicate

 

[Grangehill1]

That’

If I remember rightly Mark would've been killed off in season ten!


Mark dead in the shower wasn't the original season nine cliffhanger.

I only found this out quite recently.

Apparently Miss Ellie looking for Clayton would've walked into Ben Stivers bunkhouse & found Jock's things.

Whereupon Ben would've walked in on her & admitted that he was really Jock.

This scene was cut when Duffy agreed to return

That’s interesting. Where did you hear this from?

The cliffhanger would have been brilliant although they effectively did use this scene in season 10 didn’t they?

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

That’

That’s interesting. Where did you hear this from?

The cliffhanger would have been brilliant although they effectively did use this scene in season 10 didn’t they?

From some American friends on YouTube.

They re-filmed it with Steve as Wes Parmalee to end one of the season ten episodes, but it was the original season nine end of season cliffhanger.

Check out the video comments of Wes's scenes on YouTube & you'll come away with a new understanding of the character.

He was really meant to be Jock but the Producers got cold feet & reneged on the storyline.

Patrick Duffy's return as Bobby sadly helped nix Steve Forrest staying on as Jock.

 

[Toni]

Here is the part of the John Beck interview where they deal with the subject:

Ultimate Dallas: So how were you told about that, I gather you planned on coming back ?

John Beck: Well it was right until the bitter end, literally the end. Leonard called me and said "Hey you're not coming back this year" and I said "Oh really, what's going on?" (laughs). He wouldn't let on exactly what was happening, so I didn't know fully. I don't think anybody did. We did a scene where Pam came to the door of the shower and I of course was in it, but when the door actually opened, unbeknownst to her or any of us, on the other side of town they were shooting Bobby opening the door and looking out to say "Hi". They brought her to the door using me as the decoy for it, but she didn't know either, none of us knew. Bobby knew of course (laughs), Larry probably knew, I think Victoria claims she knew but she didn't.

Ultimate Dallas: So were you both called in specifically to do that scene?

John Beck: It was the end of the day and someone said "Hey we have a new scene". I said "What is it?" and they said "A shower scene" and I said "Oh they want to see her boobs" (laughs). They called props and said "We need some soap for the shower" and he said "What do you mean, we don't have any soap, this was sprung on us", so one of the guys said "Get a potato and peel the potato to make it look like a bar of soap". Which is what they did, which I thought was hilarious. Basically she came to the door and said "Oh honey" and I said "Come on in" and we had a shower together, when really what it was she comes to the door and says "Oh Bobby I had this horrible dream". So it was sprung on us on the same day.

 

[Toni]

I know there IS an interview with John Beck on ultimate Dallas where he said they were called back to do a shower scene. But I do think he’s misremembering and getting muddled with the shower scene between Pam and Mark that was actually transmitted

@Grangehill1, I think you are right as you can assume by reading my previous post. It must be some kind of "Mandela effect" given how controversial the Dream solution was at the time.

 

[Toni]

No matter how hard I try (and I did try hard!) I can´t see the potato in question...
(The scene was from "Serendipity", the fourth episode starting the count from the end;
I suspect this scene made no sense in the cliffhanger so they inserted it as a filler in
another episode; funny they talk about the Who Shot JR affaire in this scene!!)​

 

[Luke_Krebbs_Ewing]

Well there you are, you can either believe me or not!

John Beck dead in the shower wasn't the original season nine cliffhanger.

It was Ben Stivers reveal as Jock. So there you go.