Please tell me Holly Harwood gets her just reward for involving Sue Ellen
Mustard
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Holly got it totally wrong about what kind of person Sue Ellen was. Holly expected Sue Ellen to go mad and shout at J.R. right there when she saw them in bed together, but as Bobby said to Holly later "Sue Ellen lives in a fantasy world where everything is perfect. She'd rather crawl into a bottle than face reality". And this was Holly's part in the chain of events that led to Mickey Trotter's paralysis and death.
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Snarky Oracle!
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Plus, Sue Ellen deserved it.
Jimmy Todd
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Because she remarried JR?
pete lashmar
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Holly Harwood was a great character...until she came up with involving Sue Ellen in her plot to oust JR from her company.
She did reappear in a later series, much to Katherine Wentworth's annoyance - but it was only a brief appearence.
She did get mentioned quite often though, especially when April wanted Bobby and JR told her the story of Holly.
She did reappear in a later series, much to Katherine Wentworth's annoyance - but it was only a brief appearence.
She did get mentioned quite often though, especially when April wanted Bobby and JR told her the story of Holly.
Snarky Oracle!
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Because of everything. Sue Ellen always got what she deserved.
James from London
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I loved the way Holly incorporated Sue Ellen in her scheme against JR, not least because it put Sue Ellen front and centre of the series again after two-thirds of a season where she hadn't really had much to do and was starting to look like a spent force, dramatically speaking.
That's the paradox for people who adore Sue Ellen and/or identify with her and root for her. The more she's suffering, the more screen time she's gonna get and the more you get to see Linda Gray doing what she does so well. The happier and more content she is, the further removed from the action she becomes and so she ends up in the background not taking up much space. I guess one solution would be to turn her into some kind of lawyer or investigator with a case of the week which she invariably solves, but that would mean twisting both her character and the show into something unrecognisable.
As for Holly getting what she deserved, well, sleeping with JR cost her whatever chance she had of getting together with Bobby and for a girl in the '80s Dallasverse, what bigger punishment could there be?
That's the paradox for people who adore Sue Ellen and/or identify with her and root for her. The more she's suffering, the more screen time she's gonna get and the more you get to see Linda Gray doing what she does so well. The happier and more content she is, the further removed from the action she becomes and so she ends up in the background not taking up much space. I guess one solution would be to turn her into some kind of lawyer or investigator with a case of the week which she invariably solves, but that would mean twisting both her character and the show into something unrecognisable.
As for Holly getting what she deserved, well, sleeping with JR cost her whatever chance she had of getting together with Bobby and for a girl in the '80s Dallasverse, what bigger punishment could there be?
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Jimmy Todd
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Interesting observation. I always felt Sue Ellen got away with a lot for the aftermath of car crash that killed Mickey. He only got in the car because she was drunk. She never acknowledged her drinking led to his death, never apologized to or had any talk with Lucy about it, nor did she seem to care a whit about Mickey. It was all about her and JR cheating on her. It was similar to how she made Bobby's death about her.
I would have loved to see several members of the Ewing family call her out and specifically tell her that a young man is dead because of her drinking.
Snarky Oracle!
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JR was a narcissist, Sue Ellen was a narcissist. How could their marriage -- or multiple divorces -- be any different than it/they was/were?
Jock Ewing Fan
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Holly did get a comeuppance. Because of what she did, Bobby didn't want to date her
Matthew Blaisdel
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Sounds like penultimate season to me. And Dallas was unrecognisable by then. Of course Sue Ellen was gone, but they did exactly that with Ellie and Clayton.
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Jimmy Todd
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She also lost a big chunk of her daddy's company to JR and probably her reputation in the oil business. However, I'm sure she would consider Bobby the biggest loss since apparently there wasn't a woman in Texas who could resist him.
Jimmy Todd
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One thing I'll say about Holly is that when she returned in season 7 she acknowledged her bad behavior by telling Bobby it took a long time for her to "like myself again. " That might be more than anyone else caught up in the fight for Ewing Oil did.
Lastkidpicked
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I sometimes forget how much time you spend in the professional theater until you make an insightful post like that. I hope you are finding your way back into the theater these days.
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No one deserves what JR did to Sue Ellen
Snarky Oracle!
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How come?
What human being deserves to be abused? Sue Ellen had low self esteem. She was trained that her purpose in life was to marry a wealthy man, never to stand on her own 2 feet. Her husband emotionally abused her. The word abuse doesn’t even capture it. JR was flat out cruel to her, especially during the first half of the show. He undermined her when she tried to reveal the truth about him to Jock & Miss Ellie. He had an affair with her sister. He put her in a sanitarium. No one deserves this
Crimson
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Objectively, Holly's plan to use Sue Ellen to rid herself of JR was sound; since she couldn't get rid of JR any other way, assuming his wife would put an end to his philandering was a shrewd move. It's not Holly's fault that Sue Ellen was an alcoholic. Plus, blaming Holly here is just a variation of that weird societal pattern of blaming "the other woman" when the cheating man is standing right there.
Luke_Krebbs_Ewing
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Well Miss Ellie eventually did, I recall her taking her to task over her drinking and that she belonged in a Sanatarium.
I can remember Miss Ellie saying she would make sure she got treatment before she dragged JR down with her!
But that could be the dream season I'm remembering.
