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<blockquote data-quote="Frank Underwood" data-source="post: 443044" data-attributes="member: 35">Obama killed American citizens abroad, engaged in warrantless surveillance, maintained a kill list, suspended habeas corpus, took us from 2 wars to 7, built the cages that housed undocumented immigrants (which Trump received all the blame for,) deported a record 3 million people (approximately 75% of which were fast tracked through a nonjudicial process), etc.&nbsp; That&#039;s why I&#039;m always stunned whenever people accuse me of making a &quot;false equivalence.&quot;&nbsp; It&#039;s easy for me to expose how Donald Trump has trampled on the Constitution and his crimes against humanity, but for some reason, some people still want to pretend that there&#039;s a decent alternative.&nbsp; If only that were true.And sure, Obama isn&#039;t the only Dem around.&nbsp; Of course, the last Dem administration increased the military budget, funded a genocide in Gaza, and funded a war in Ukraine.&nbsp; People at home didn&#039;t get universal healthcare because Biden vowed to veto it if it came across his desk.&nbsp; They didn&#039;t get a raise in the minimum wage like Biden promised because Dems let the rotating villains in Congress and an unelected parliamentarian kill it as planned.&nbsp; Instead, we got rising inflation and higher grocery and gas bills which have gotten worse as his orange predecessor started another war on Israel&#039;s behalf.&nbsp; People get caught up in a cult of personality when it&#039;s really about a continuum of suffering.And yes, Trump&#039;s vain desire to be immortalized is out of hand, but the fact that he&#039;s able to throw his name on the Kennedy Center and knock down part of the White House to build his ballroom shows that the problem goes beyond him.&nbsp; There&#039;s nothing keeping him in check, and the Courts only seem to intervene after the fact.&nbsp; Of course, his truly worst impulses (like his war mongering and using ICE to terrorize people here at home) have roots going back to the Bush Administration and the war on terror.&nbsp; And as I pointed out before, Dem Administrations (most notably the Obama Administration) have used those expanding presidential powers to trample on civil liberties too.&nbsp; That&#039;s not a &quot;false equivalence,&quot; it&#039;s a sad fact of life.&nbsp; I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, so he disappointed me as much as anybody.&nbsp; However, I had to take the blinders off eventually.And as for voter suppression, the voters didn&#039;t even get to elect Harris to be the Dem Party&#039;s nominee for president.&nbsp; The way they pretended Biden was fit to run again until the last possible minute was disgraceful.&nbsp; Not to mention all of the discrepancies and outright rigging that took place in the primaries in 2020 and 2016.&nbsp; Some people try to dismiss this because they were primaries and not a national election, but how a political party&#039;s candidate is chosen matters.&nbsp; After all, it&#039;s supposed to be &quot;country over party.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frank Underwood, post: 443044, member: 35"] Obama killed American citizens abroad, engaged in warrantless surveillance, maintained a kill list, suspended habeas corpus, took us from 2 wars to 7, built the cages that housed undocumented immigrants (which Trump received all the blame for,) deported a record 3 million people (approximately 75% of which were fast tracked through a nonjudicial process), etc. That's why I'm always stunned whenever people accuse me of making a "false equivalence." It's easy for me to expose how Donald Trump has trampled on the Constitution and his crimes against humanity, but for some reason, some people still want to pretend that there's a decent alternative. If only that were true. And sure, Obama isn't the only Dem around. Of course, the last Dem administration increased the military budget, funded a genocide in Gaza, and funded a war in Ukraine. People at home didn't get universal healthcare because Biden vowed to veto it if it came across his desk. They didn't get a raise in the minimum wage like Biden promised because Dems let the rotating villains in Congress and an unelected parliamentarian kill it as planned. Instead, we got rising inflation and higher grocery and gas bills which have gotten worse as his orange predecessor started another war on Israel's behalf. People get caught up in a cult of personality when it's really about a continuum of suffering. And yes, Trump's vain desire to be immortalized is out of hand, but the fact that he's able to throw his name on the Kennedy Center and knock down part of the White House to build his ballroom shows that the problem goes beyond him. There's nothing keeping him in check, and the Courts only seem to intervene [I][B]after[/B][/I] the fact. Of course, his truly worst impulses (like his war mongering and using ICE to terrorize people here at home) have roots going back to the Bush Administration and the war on terror. And as I pointed out before, Dem Administrations (most notably the Obama Administration) have used those expanding presidential powers to trample on civil liberties too. That's not a "false equivalence," it's a sad fact of life. I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, so he disappointed me as much as anybody. However, I had to take the blinders off eventually. And as for voter suppression, the voters didn't even get to elect Harris to be the Dem Party's nominee for president. The way they pretended Biden was fit to run again until the last possible minute was disgraceful. Not to mention all of the discrepancies and outright rigging that took place in the primaries in 2020 and 2016. Some people try to dismiss this because they were primaries and not a national election, but how a political party's candidate is chosen matters. After all, it's supposed to be "country over party." [/QUOTE]

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