Dallas Character Character Star Signs

[Sarah]

I have a great interest in astrology and do believe that people's characteristics and personality traits do very often match the sign they are born under. I was thinking about this the other day (as you do) and in a lot of cases, I don't feel that the Dallas characters match the star sign of the actors playing them.

Considering hardly anyone ever had a birthday, I don't think zodiac signs were ever mentioned on the show, and Wikipedia entries will give different dates for the characters birthdays, stating for example that Pam:

"was born on April 10, 1950".....

making her an Aries. I can see Pam as an Aries, rather than Victoria's sign of Capricorn although the character certainly has Capricorn traits too (ambitious, organized, practical, goal-oriented). Aries are feisty and take no nonsense. They are a fire sign and often referred to as one of the most dominant signs in the zodiac. They are self-assertive, honest and brave. I think Aries is very fitting for Pam's character.

My darling Sue Ellen - sure she has traits of Linda's Virgo (loyal, patient, critical) but I think Sue Ellen herself may fall into the sensitive water sign of Scorpio - smart, shrewd, passionate, intense with an occasional aloof demeanour.....

Coincedentally, while Larry and Linda have the same sign in Virgo, JR is also befitting of a Scorpio, it being the most savage of the zodiac signs..... Is JR a Scorpio too? Or is he the King? A Leo?

"Leos are known to be prone to jealousy and possessiveness. The Lion doesn't like when something belonging to him is eyed by anyone else. If you are dating a Leo, chances are that they will act jealous but that will only be because they love you! A Leo's pride is something that is better left unchallenged."

And Bobby? Maybe his is on point with Patrick's Pisces:

"A man born under the Pisces constellation, the final sign of the zodiac, is a total dreamboat. He's flirtatious, charming, and romantic, and, being a water sign, also introverted and emotional—the most emotional sign of all, to be precise. His sign is also classified as mutable, meaning he's adaptable and changeable."

I'd love to chat to anyone with a similar interest in astrology. I know @Snarky Oracle is an expert in this field.

Do the actor's actual signs fit with the characters?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

As I always say: go with the actors' Sun signs, even though the actors are, obviously, not the same person as the characters they play.

People always guess that JR's a "Scorpio" because he's evil (even though Scorpio has the single lowest murder rate of any of the 12 sun signs, not the highest) and that Miss Ellie must be a "Cancer" or "Libra" because she's family oriented and peaceful.... The problem is: these are astrological cliches and simply aren't true -- not in the ways they are almost always described.

JR is indeed as much a Virgo as Larry. So is Jock (like Jim Davis). So is Sue Ellen (like Linda).. Yes, there are certainly bad Scorpios, but they're nothing like JR...
Miss Ellie and Aunt Lil (and Krystle over on that other show) are Scorpios, just like the actresses are.

Funnily enough, Larry, Linda, Mary Crosby and Patricia Shepard are all four Sun in Virgo/Moon in Aquarius -- albeit with different Rising Signs (which changes the surface stuff physicality, etc.) so no wonder 'Who Shot JR?' was such a big deal, as astrologically-similar people bouncing off each other can, karmically, create superlative scandal, in real life or even fiction. (Think Bette & Joan, Bill & Monica).

Always go with the actors' sign. And ignore what you read in the books.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

BBG... Sun in Scorpio/Aries Rising/Moon in Pisces
Jim Davis... Sun in Virgo/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Capricorn
Larry Hagman ... Sun in Virgo/Aquarius Rising/Moon in Aquarius
Linda Gray... Sun in Virgo/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Aquarius
Mary Crosby... Sun in Virgo/Aries Rising/Moon in Aquarius
Patrick Duffy... Sun in Pisces/Gemini Rising/Moon in Scorpio
Victoria Principal... Sun in Capricorn/Aquarius Rising/Moon in Capricorn
Charlene Tilton ... Sun in Sagittarius/Leo Rising/Moon in Leo
Steve Kanaly... Sun in Pisces/Scorpio Rising/Moon in Leo
Susan Howard... Sun in Aquarius/Capricorn Rising/Moon in Gemini?
Ken Kercheval... Sun in Cancer/Aquarius Rising/Moon in Capricorn
Audrey Landers... Sun in Cancer/Gemini Rising/Moon in Sagittarius
Priscilla Presley ... Sun in Gemini/Capricorn Rising/Moon in Scorpio

I correctly guessed about half the actors' Rising Signs (including Larry, Linda and Mary when I was still a kid ---- so I'm really strange -- even though birth time verification was decades away) and some I got wrong (I erroneously guessed Steve had a Taurus Rising when it's really Scorpio Rising) and some I got wrong before I got them right... Rising Sign has lot to do with surface stuff, including physicality. For example, I correctly guessed Susan Howard (and Meg Ryan) had Capricorn Rising because of their distinctive nose crinkle. (Priscilla has it, too, but I never guessed it).

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Different actress, same face, both great slappers, both tossed into a lake in their respective series' pilot episodes...

 

[Sarah]

@Snarky Oracle - thanks so much for the level of detail around this - it's more than I could have hoped for!

Just out of interest, do you not need to know the actors times of birth before calculating the moon signs?

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

Just out of interest, do you not need to know the actors times of birth before calculating the moon signs?

It certainly helps since the moon may change during a 24 hour period.

 

[Snarky Oracle!]

for example that Pam:

"was born on April 10, 1950".....

Of course, the show itself is inconsistent.

During the Hutch McKinney story arc, the script established that Pam was born just after Christmas 1952 (or maybe January 1953 --- Victoria would've loved that!) And that Bobby was born around the time that Eisenhower was elected (which means November 1952) and when he was kidnapped back in 1978, he had an ID card which said he was born in November 1966 (making him barely twelve!) -- all of which would make him, theoretically, a Scorpio, but I couldn't see it. Bobby had that sway-backed, lip-curled in-your-face Piscean thing (as did Ray and Mack MacKenzie, even Dex Dexter) and Miss Ellie talked to Bobby's grave during the dream season which then gave Bobby the true birthdate of Patrick Duffy, March 17, 1949. But that was Pam's nocturnal imagination, so who knows.

But Pam certainly had that devilish Capricorn thing going on.

JR is also befitting of a Scorpio, it being the most savage of the zodiac signs

Oh, no. Contrary to reputation, Scorpio isn't the most savage sign --- although Scorpio Rising might qualify, given that our most notable dictators have had Scorpio Rising... JR, though, is as much classic Virgo as is Larry.