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<blockquote data-quote="Jimmy Todd" data-source="post: 441822" data-attributes="member: 3926">I haven&#039;t seen the show&nbsp; in&nbsp; so long&nbsp; so I had forgotten all about that. I was responding to what [USER=8]@Willie Oleson[/USER] had said about &quot;likable&quot; villains. Main characterswho are the villian of the show have to have some traits that make them, if &quot;admirable&quot; is not the right word given their evil actions, maybe &quot;palatable&quot; is more apt.&nbsp; Angela, Abby and JR did horrible things, but they all had qualities that prevented fans from turning the channel in absolute disgust. JR raped two women and stole another woman&#039;s baby. Nobody is approving of that, but he remained immensely popular. .&nbsp;&nbsp; Shakespeare&#039;s&nbsp; Macbeth was truly reprehensible by the end of the play, but&nbsp; in the final scene between him and Macduff he realizes all the odds are&nbsp; against him and he will&nbsp; be defeated and killed, he still hangs on to a shred of honor and refuses to go down without a fight. This is.right after he had the opportunity to kill Macduff,&nbsp; yet.spares him saying, &quot;My soul is too much charged with blood of thine already.&quot;&nbsp; His acknowledgement of his&nbsp; evil deeds and tenacity in the face of certain defeat are important because&nbsp; they show an evil man still having a glimpse of the humanity he seemed to have lost as the play progressed and thatby standing up to Macduff.and the army formed against him, the lost greatness he could have had is evident as well.&nbsp;How does relate to prime time soap villains?&nbsp; Because they resonated with the audience on a certain level and these characters endured as they are still being discussed today. Obviously, they are not.studied and reenacted at the same level of Shakespeare&#039;s creations, but it&#039;s the same.concept.&nbsp; It&nbsp; is similar to how musicians , directors, actors, etc can still have their fan base and their art respected even after they themselves have fallen from grace. There is something in these characters to which we are drawn. Maybe it&#039;s that they represent humanity as a whole in that we see shimmers of what could be if they used their skills and strength for good in the way we may&nbsp; imagine what our world could be if&nbsp; people and countries worked together more often than not.&nbsp; I may receive some sarcastic replies to my post, and I&#039;m not.saying Falcon Crest is the same level as the great Bard. I&#039;m just providing thought about what makes characters who do wicked things likable, and yes we did like Angela, Abby and JR, just not what they did.&nbsp; Also, I happen to think Billy Shakespeare would have loved FC, KL and Dallas when they were at their best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jimmy Todd, post: 441822, member: 3926"] I haven't seen the show in so long so I had forgotten all about that. I was responding to what [USER=8]@Willie Oleson[/USER] had said about "likable" villains. Main characterswho are the villian of the show have to have some traits that make them, if "admirable" is not the right word given their evil actions, maybe "palatable" is more apt. Angela, Abby and JR did horrible things, but they all had qualities that prevented fans from turning the channel in absolute disgust. JR raped two women and stole another woman's baby. Nobody is approving of that, but he remained immensely popular. . Shakespeare's Macbeth was truly reprehensible by the end of the play, but in the final scene between him and Macduff he realizes all the odds are against him and he will be defeated and killed, he still hangs on to a shred of honor and refuses to go down without a fight. This is.right after he had the opportunity to kill Macduff, yet.spares him saying, "My soul is too much charged with blood of thine already." His acknowledgement of his evil deeds and tenacity in the face of certain defeat are important because they show an evil man still having a glimpse of the humanity he seemed to have lost as the play progressed and that by standing up to Macduff.and the army formed against him, the lost greatness he could have had is evident as well. How does relate to prime time soap villains? Because they resonated with the audience on a certain level and these characters endured as they are still being discussed today. Obviously, they are not.studied and reenacted at the same level of Shakespeare's creations, but it's the same.concept. It is similar to how musicians , directors, actors, etc can still have their fan base and their art respected even after they themselves have fallen from grace. There is something in these characters to which we are drawn. Maybe it's that they represent humanity as a whole in that we see shimmers of what could be if they used their skills and strength for good in the way we may imagine what our world could be if people and countries worked together more often than not. I may receive some sarcastic replies to my post, and I'm not.saying Falcon Crest is the same level as the great Bard. I'm just providing thought about what makes characters who do wicked things likable, and yes we did like Angela, Abby and JR, just not what they did. Also, I happen to think Billy Shakespeare would have loved FC, KL and Dallas when they were at their best. [/QUOTE]

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