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<blockquote data-quote="Snarky Oracle!" data-source="post: 197844" data-attributes="member: 57984">Yes, he was supposed to be only 5 years older than Pam. Since it was explained just prior to &quot;WSJR?&quot; that Pam was born either just after Christmas 1952 or maybe January 1953 (I bet VP loved that!) then Cliff would have been born around 1947 or 1948, and therefore ~30 when the series began --- despite Ken being 42.But these things change and change fast. In 1980, they suggest Bobby was born in the fall of 1952 as Eisenhower was being elected, just a couple of months before Pam was born. During the dream, however, they give Bobby the actual 1949 birthdate of Patrick. Then in nuDALLAS in 2012, they have Bobby celebrating his 60th birthday, in keeping with the original 1952 date.But then during the mini-series, Miss Ellie suggests the fight between Jock and Digger over her was 1930, and only an episode later, she and Jock are celebrating their 40th anniversary, suggesting they were married in 1938. Later still, they say Ellie and Jock had been married for 45 years before he died, making their wedding date 1936.That said, maybe Cliff had done a ton of smoking in his twenties and was aging badly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarky Oracle!, post: 197844, member: 57984"] Yes, he was supposed to be only 5 years older than Pam. Since it was explained just prior to "WSJR?" that Pam was born either just after Christmas 1952 or maybe January 1953 (I bet VP loved that!) then Cliff would have been born around 1947 or 1948, and therefore ~30 when the series began --- despite Ken being 42. But these things change and change fast. In 1980, they suggest Bobby was born in the fall of 1952 as Eisenhower was being elected, just a couple of months before Pam was born. During the dream, however, they give Bobby the actual 1949 birthdate of Patrick. Then in nuDALLAS in 2012, they have Bobby celebrating his 60th birthday, in keeping with the original 1952 date. But then during the mini-series, Miss Ellie suggests the fight between Jock and Digger over her was 1930, and only an episode later, she and Jock are celebrating their 40th anniversary, suggesting they were married in 1938. Later still, they say Ellie and Jock had been married for 45 years before he died, making their wedding date 1936. That said, maybe Cliff had done a ton of smoking in his twenties and was aging badly. [/QUOTE]

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