Closure. How Do You Find It?

Jabari Lamar

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But by ignoring the reunion movies Cynthia set herself up for failure. I
I don't agree with the viewpoint. Even though I liked J.R. Returns, I think it was possible to do a successful show without including those events, I don't think that's what made it bad. I just think those particular writers were not the right choice for the series, period. So even if they had included the events of the reunion films in the history, they still would have screwed it up with bad writing.
 

Jabari Lamar

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How else do we explain the utterly stupid storyline that Christopher was about to marry his cousin and had no idea? The Ramos kids grew up with the Ewing family. Cliff adopted some random kid off the street.
See this is what I mean about bad writing, even those ideas you mention aren't bad, they were just badly executed. "Rebecca" could have been Katherine's secret daughter (especially if they made her J.R.'s daughter, although that means they never would have been able to do the later romance with John Ross), or even Carter McKay's secret granddaughter, sent to secretly infiltrate the Ewing family to destroy them from within. Those two would have made more sense than Cliff using his daughter in a scheme like that, especially since we saw him get over his hatred of the Ewings on the original series.

As many have suggested, at least Elena would have made more sense if she was Theresa and Raul's daughter, we could assume she was around in the old series we just never saw her (it's not like the show ever focused on the servants private lives), or Carmen could have started working at Southfork a few years after the original series ended, bringing Elena and Andrew with her as young kids, so they could have still "grown up" with Christopher and John Ross.

And Frank could have been an executive who started working for Cliff at Ewing Oil a few years after he took it over, and he rose through the ranks to become his right-hand man, and presumptive heir apparent, they didn't need to add the backstory of Cliff somehow finding him as young boy in Islamabad and sponsoring his education.
 

Jabari Lamar

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But what grates me with this continuation was the recasting of John Ross and Christopher. I understand why producers feel the need to do it. I'm sure the generation of today would much prefer to fawn over Josh Henderson and Jesse Metcalf as @the-lost-son rightly points out in his previous post than seeing an aging Omri Katz and Joshua Harris. But this is what makes a continuation work. There is a familiarity about it. We recognize the actors and the characters they portrayed immediately. I don't need the frustration trying to figure out who is playing who. I just want to get stuck into the action.
Well Joshua Harris had already quit acting a year after the original series ended, which is why we got Chris Demetral in J.R. Returns, and I thought he did a great job in the role (I was already familiar with him from HBO's "Dream On"), but apparently he quite acting in 2002. But I don't think either of them made quite the same impact as Omri Katz did as John Ross, so his recasting was easier to accept. I do understand why many fans wanted Omri Katz back but, frankly, he just didn't have the right look for an adult John Ross. Even in J.R. Returns, when they were trying to imply that he was burgeoning playboy, like his father, I just thought he looked like nerd. Honestly I think Josh Henderson was absolutely perfect as adult John Ross. And I really loved his chemistry with Julia Gonzalo, breaking them up when they did, by having John Ross cheat on, was one of the biggest mistake the new series made.
 

xab

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Dallas season 11 (perDVD) was the last "serious" season. It made sense in the history of Dallas : the struggle for regaining Ewing Oil, Bobby's fight for his son etc.
Familly, business, it still tasted like Dallas, genuinely, whatever the circumstances ( let's remember a Writer's guild strike was hitting Hollywood by this time...)

Season 12 turned the show into a sitcom after the " Southfork war". This plot, strong, wild, powerful, not so far from Dallas western roots, should have been the climax the season should have been built upon (the way season 6 around Jock's will was) All events leading to a Moldavia massacre, but in Dallas style.

But we had very weak stuff after that.

Another big missed opportunity : Sue-Ellen's movie didn't lead us anywhere, just like didn't Casey'revenge... All storyline were pointless... (who cared for the McKay before Cynthia Cidre did ...?)

I was too involved into Dallas to ask for a full stop. But let's face it : Barbara Eden's appearance for Larry's fan service had nothing to do with Dallas...

The show should have ended with JR stuck in that asylum...
 

lbf522

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As I have said, the problem with Dallas TNT was that they placed someone in charge who did not care about the show and it showed in the writing. Making John Ross a cheater like JR was was laziness on part of the writers.

As much as I love Susan Lucci and Barbara Eden, their storylines were dumb.

Dallas is suppose to be about the trials and tribulations of the Ewing Family but this never before mentioned Ramos Family and if that were not enough watching them walking all over the Ewings was awful.
 

Seaviewer

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Yeah I don't think we've seen the last of Dallas.
OH I think we have. TV and times have changed and Dallas isnt Dallas without Larry Hagman - TNT crap proved that

Dallas was a success because of its casting in 1977/8, the plots, the storylines, the characters you cared about, loved, hated, it was compulsive viewing and because the original actors breathed a life, heart and soul into their parts

Very sadly lacking with CC Nonsense and I dont want a 3rd rate, Z listed cast acting badly in a show that is Dallas in name only.

Dallas was a global phenonomen and was an 80s show, I want to leave it there. I dont want someone who didnt even watch it 1st time round, changing just about everything I loved about the show and making me hate the renewed version, changing characters beyond belief (Cliff) and making me dislike originals (Bobby)

RIP Dallas 1978-91 - it was a blast (well until the final dire season, again proving that Larry and Patrick are not Dallas - it was the ensemble cast who made it the world wide success)
 

Laurie Marr

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It certainly didn’t go the way I thought it would. People turned out to be different to who I thought they were, some stories fizzled out too soon others that I didn’t care for lasted too long. Too many other competing narratives compromised the early version of a story that I had come to venerate and perhaps even idealise……And yet all this narrative fragmentation and hallucinogenic cross currents from dreams and alternative realities is all that is left. And is all that there is or ever will be.
And that, bizarrely, is how Dallas chimes with my own experience of life. There cannot be closure because there is no single story that can be closed. Life appears to make more sense if you think otherwise, but that doesn’t make our retrospective musings more accurate. Narrative coherence can be reassuring but is largely illusory. DALLAS and its weird obsession with ghosts and revenants has, for me, become a metaphor for the way that life is governed less by anchoring a sense of being (of ontology) in monological narratives than by hauntology. Dallas never ends…..
 

James from London

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If it's a sense of closure you're after, you could do worse than Episode 321, 'Judgment Day'. This is what I wrote about it when I last watched it.

There’s a strong sense of finality about this week’s DALLAS. It really feels like it could be the last episode of the series. It opens with Cliff talking to Digger at his graveside. His words then continue over various shots of the investigative committee in Austin arguing amongst themselves. Montages are almost unheard of on DALLAS so straightaway we get the feeling this is not your average episode. “Digger, what the hell am I gonna do?” Cliff is asking his daddy. “I finally have the power to crush JR Ewing and get this — he might not even be guilty. But dammit, he has committed a crime. He knowingly bought that shoddy tanker just to fatten his own purse without giving a single thought to the environmental destruction it might cause … He acted immorally and unethically, but still, he didn’t do anything legally wrong … What would you do, Digger? Would you just say the hell with it — the only good Ewing is a dead Ewing?” This is a throwback to the Cliff Barnes of early Season 1, which was the last time the character seriously considered putting morality before revenge. It has as much connection to the Cliff of a few episodes ago who was solely motivated by childlike spite as it has to the Cliff who will descend into Shakespearean evil on New DALLAS. Yet all three incarnations are hugely compelling — a testament to the mercurial nature of both of the character and the actor playing him. Speaking of New DALLAS, the dilemma Cliff wrestles with throughout this episode — whether or not to convict JR of a crime he didn’t commit — acquires an added layer of irony when one remembers that this is exactly what the Ewings will end up doing to him, i.e., framing him for JR’s murder as a way of punishing him for his other sins.

Throughout the ep, there is an acute feeling of nostalgia. As well as Cliff talking to his dead father, Miss Ellie delivers an angry speech to Jock while standing on the spot where he first struck oil: “This is where your dream started, but sometimes I wish it had never ever started at all!” “Cliff, you and I have been up and down together a lot of times over the years but this is the first time my fate rests in your hands,” Bobby tells his former brother-in-law during a pivotal scene towards the end of the episode. He also refers to Pam without mentioning her by name: “We have family ties that bind us, Cliff.” Even Carter McKay catches the bug. “When I first came to Dallas, you were a good friend to me,” he reminds Bobby. “If things had gone differently, we might have stayed friends.”

McKay goes on to offer Bobby a way out of his predicament: "I’m willing to buy your company right now before the Barnes committee makes their decision, and for a fair price … If you sell out to me, you’re going to be able to start out all over again … with your dignity, with your future intact, not to mention those footsteps for your son to follow.” It looks like an offer Bobby can’t refuse (“Maybe I should sell Ewing Oil now, instead of letting the vultures pick it clean”), but at the eleventh hour he turns McKay down — and in so doing, returns us to the heart of the DALLAS mythology. “You know who founded this company, McKay?” he asks. “Sure. Jock Ewing was a legend,” Mack acknowledges. “And you know what he’d be doing if he was standing here right now?” Bobby continues. “He’d be escorting you out of this building headfirst through this very window, and I’m just embarrassed I didn’t do the same thing when you first brought me this stinkin’ deal!”

Later, JR makes a legally binding confession which, he explains to Bobby, is to be read to the press after Cliff’s verdict is announced: “In short, it absolves you and all your employees at Ewing Oil from any responsibility in the collision … I take full responsibility … I dragged you through hell with me, Bobby, and God knows it wasn’t the first time but I guarantee you, it’s gonna be the last. I’m prepared to go to jail for ten years … to take the blame off Daddy’s company. I haven’t been the kind of brother I’d like to have been — or son for that matter … He placed the future of Ewing Oil in my hands and I obviously failed him so I’m passing the torch on to you.” Not only the torch but Jock’s portrait as well: “This belongs on your wall, not mine.” Did I mention how final this episode feels?

In the event, Bobby’s last-minute heartfelt appeal to Cliff has the desired effect and Cliff declares the tanker collision “an act of misadventure” for which no-one is to blame. Having been about to fall on his sword, JR wastes no time in snatching his confession out of Harv’s hands and tearing it up. The episode concludes with a sweetly touching look of acknowledgement between Cliff and Bobby across a crowded courtroom.
 

Bobby Southworth

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If it's a sense of closure you're after, you could do worse than Episode 321, 'Judgment Day'. This is what I wrote about it when I last watched it.

There’s a strong sense of finality about this week’s DALLAS. It really feels like it could be the last episode of the series. It opens with Cliff talking to Digger at his graveside. His words then continue over various shots of the investigative committee in Austin arguing amongst themselves. Montages are almost unheard of on DALLAS so straightaway we get the feeling this is not your average episode. “Digger, what the hell am I gonna do?” Cliff is asking his daddy. “I finally have the power to crush JR Ewing and get this — he might not even be guilty. But dammit, he has committed a crime. He knowingly bought that shoddy tanker just to fatten his own purse without giving a single thought to the environmental destruction it might cause … He acted immorally and unethically, but still, he didn’t do anything legally wrong … What would you do, Digger? Would you just say the hell with it — the only good Ewing is a dead Ewing?” This is a throwback to the Cliff Barnes of early Season 1, which was the last time the character seriously considered putting morality before revenge. It has as much connection to the Cliff of a few episodes ago who was solely motivated by childlike spite as it has to the Cliff who will descend into Shakespearean evil on New DALLAS. Yet all three incarnations are hugely compelling — a testament to the mercurial nature of both of the character and the actor playing him. Speaking of New DALLAS, the dilemma Cliff wrestles with throughout this episode — whether or not to convict JR of a crime he didn’t commit — acquires an added layer of irony when one remembers that this is exactly what the Ewings will end up doing to him, i.e., framing him for JR’s murder as a way of punishing him for his other sins.

Throughout the ep, there is an acute feeling of nostalgia. As well as Cliff talking to his dead father, Miss Ellie delivers an angry speech to Jock while standing on the spot where he first struck oil: “This is where your dream started, but sometimes I wish it had never ever started at all!” “Cliff, you and I have been up and down together a lot of times over the years but this is the first time my fate rests in your hands,” Bobby tells his former brother-in-law during a pivotal scene towards the end of the episode. He also refers to Pam without mentioning her by name: “We have family ties that bind us, Cliff.” Even Carter McKay catches the bug. “When I first came to Dallas, you were a good friend to me,” he reminds Bobby. “If things had gone differently, we might have stayed friends.”

McKay goes on to offer Bobby a way out of his predicament: "I’m willing to buy your company right now before the Barnes committee makes their decision, and for a fair price … If you sell out to me, you’re going to be able to start out all over again … with your dignity, with your future intact, not to mention those footsteps for your son to follow.” It looks like an offer Bobby can’t refuse (“Maybe I should sell Ewing Oil now, instead of letting the vultures pick it clean”), but at the eleventh hour he turns McKay down — and in so doing, returns us to the heart of the DALLAS mythology. “You know who founded this company, McKay?” he asks. “Sure. Jock Ewing was a legend,” Mack acknowledges. “And you know what he’d be doing if he was standing here right now?” Bobby continues. “He’d be escorting you out of this building headfirst through this very window, and I’m just embarrassed I didn’t do the same thing when you first brought me this stinkin’ deal!”

Later, JR makes a legally binding confession which, he explains to Bobby, is to be read to the press after Cliff’s verdict is announced: “In short, it absolves you and all your employees at Ewing Oil from any responsibility in the collision … I take full responsibility … I dragged you through hell with me, Bobby, and God knows it wasn’t the first time but I guarantee you, it’s gonna be the last. I’m prepared to go to jail for ten years … to take the blame off Daddy’s company. I haven’t been the kind of brother I’d like to have been — or son for that matter … He placed the future of Ewing Oil in my hands and I obviously failed him so I’m passing the torch on to you.” Not only the torch but Jock’s portrait as well: “This belongs on your wall, not mine.” Did I mention how final this episode feels?

In the event, Bobby’s last-minute heartfelt appeal to Cliff has the desired effect and Cliff declares the tanker collision “an act of misadventure” for which no-one is to blame. Having been about to fall on his sword, JR wastes no time in snatching his confession out of Harv’s hands and tearing it up. The episode concludes with a sweetly touching look of acknowledgement between Cliff and Bobby across a crowded courtroom.
James; what observation and remarkable analysis. This episode does have a strong feel of finality to it, and while I've always regarded it as one of the best later season episodes, I had never really considered what a fitting closing point it might make. This episode, along with a scene from season 10(11DVD) between Ellie and Cliff making peace are reasons why I can't just write off the later years of Dallas. That said, I think for me, personally, I have now decided after all of these years, that the end of season 12(13DVD) is where I choose to close the Dallas book. After "Judgement Day", the season did take a downward turn, but I have to at least include the whole season, for better or for worse in my last chapter. After JR is dragged away in the asylum in the last episode, it's back to "Digger's Daughter" for me.
 
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