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<blockquote data-quote="Presea" data-source="post: 63995" data-attributes="member: 24"><p>Just because Katherine was hoping to gain something from it all in the beginning does not cancel out JR's obvious crime and make it okay. The situation may be different from rape, but it's still like saying that a woman who wanted to have sex with a guy who was married or seeing someone before he tried to rape her was "asking for it". Plus, JR was the one who proposed the idea to Katherine in the first place.</p><p></p><p> Granted, the posts I'm seeing here aren't near as bad as the ones I would see on the old forum where some members would say that they would have liked JR to actually rape Katherine and even have her killed. But it is still quite disturbing and sad to see that people don't find it a crime for JR to sexually blackmail and demean a woman who was obviously mentally disturbed (Most likely, erotomania. The symptoms were there.) and depressed enough to have no life whatsoever outside of her sister's husband. And sadly, even with proper evidence, this case would have gone nowhere in the show, and a case the same as it in real life probably wouldn't have either. But I already implied that this was the case. No matter how people define the crime or consider what makes it valid. And people do have a lot of different opinions about how sexual coercion should be defined. The truth is that even if this is not legally considered a crime, it should be. Especially since there was blackmail involved. Men still get away with doing horrible things to women everyday, and people with mental health issues are still treated horribly while so many people continue to be ignorant about the problems that they face. Even though Dallas is fictional, I would still say that the responses I'm seeing here really show just how much limited understanding there still is about these problems.</p><p></p><p> In my opinion, you and Crazy about SE and JR just believe that this is not a crime simply because you didn't like the fact that Katherine broke up Bobby and Pam, and that Katherine simply was a woman who slept with JR that was not Sue Ellen. And before you say I'm biased, let me explain how I'm not. I hate Holly Harwood. A horrible character who was stupid enough to let JR walk all over her company and continually whined to Bobby about it and expected him to get her out her mess. And she was horrible enough to take out her anger on Sue Ellen, who had done nothing to her, by sleeping with JR and inviting her over to see it. But do I think it was okay for JR to blackmail her for sex in order to keep her company?No, I don't, and JR obviously committed a crime here, too. I can look at these situations objectively without letting any character like or dislike get in the way of seeing right from wrong. I'm not saying that you guys are biased against Katherine because you didn't like how her actions affected your favorite characters, just that you might not even realize it if you are. There are no conditions you can put on Katherine's situation to justify it. A bad deed on her part does not "even things out" and cancel out JR's obvious crime here. It's not about what Katherine did before it happened, or what her intentions were when she agreed to sleep with him before the blackmail. The blackmail still happened, and I don't see how simply changing the circumstances of a situation suddenly make blackmail legal or illegal as long as it still happens. But since no one besides me seems capable of seeing reason here, I'm not going to post about it anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Presea, post: 63995, member: 24"] Just because Katherine was hoping to gain something from it all in the beginning does not cancel out JR's obvious crime and make it okay. The situation may be different from rape, but it's still like saying that a woman who wanted to have sex with a guy who was married or seeing someone before he tried to rape her was "asking for it". Plus, JR was the one who proposed the idea to Katherine in the first place. Granted, the posts I'm seeing here aren't near as bad as the ones I would see on the old forum where some members would say that they would have liked JR to actually rape Katherine and even have her killed. But it is still quite disturbing and sad to see that people don't find it a crime for JR to sexually blackmail and demean a woman who was obviously mentally disturbed (Most likely, erotomania. The symptoms were there.) and depressed enough to have no life whatsoever outside of her sister's husband. And sadly, even with proper evidence, this case would have gone nowhere in the show, and a case the same as it in real life probably wouldn't have either. But I already implied that this was the case. No matter how people define the crime or consider what makes it valid. And people do have a lot of different opinions about how sexual coercion should be defined. The truth is that even if this is not legally considered a crime, it should be. Especially since there was blackmail involved. Men still get away with doing horrible things to women everyday, and people with mental health issues are still treated horribly while so many people continue to be ignorant about the problems that they face. Even though Dallas is fictional, I would still say that the responses I'm seeing here really show just how much limited understanding there still is about these problems. In my opinion, you and Crazy about SE and JR just believe that this is not a crime simply because you didn't like the fact that Katherine broke up Bobby and Pam, and that Katherine simply was a woman who slept with JR that was not Sue Ellen. And before you say I'm biased, let me explain how I'm not. I hate Holly Harwood. A horrible character who was stupid enough to let JR walk all over her company and continually whined to Bobby about it and expected him to get her out her mess. And she was horrible enough to take out her anger on Sue Ellen, who had done nothing to her, by sleeping with JR and inviting her over to see it. But do I think it was okay for JR to blackmail her for sex in order to keep her company?No, I don't, and JR obviously committed a crime here, too. I can look at these situations objectively without letting any character like or dislike get in the way of seeing right from wrong. I'm not saying that you guys are biased against Katherine because you didn't like how her actions affected your favorite characters, just that you might not even realize it if you are. There are no conditions you can put on Katherine's situation to justify it. A bad deed on her part does not "even things out" and cancel out JR's obvious crime here. It's not about what Katherine did before it happened, or what her intentions were when she agreed to sleep with him before the blackmail. The blackmail still happened, and I don't see how simply changing the circumstances of a situation suddenly make blackmail legal or illegal as long as it still happens. But since no one besides me seems capable of seeing reason here, I'm not going to post about it anymore. [/QUOTE]
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