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<blockquote data-quote="Snarky Oracle!" data-source="post: 332849" data-attributes="member: 57984">I agree with this. But it&#039;s funny how with aaalll the endless documentaries on certain, films, TV shows, genre and trends, there are zero docs done for some of the biggest things out there, including some of the biggest TV series. It&#039;s weird, actually, what gets passed over.I guess &quot;What Ever Happened to Good Taste?&quot; is a stab at it for the grande dame guignol genre, but it&#039;s flawed for the reasons [USER=5079]@Crimson[/USER] states... I&#039;d like a solid doc done on the subject, too, but especially in today&#039;s era, they&#039;d focus waayyy too much on the objectification/dehumanization/demonization of women and aging women in&nbsp; movies and I just wouldn&#039;t have the stomach for that kind of predictable pseudo-analysis, which is likely the tone and angle of any such documentary.I mean, a brief reference to that or analysis of that &quot;misogyny&quot; angle would be fine, but the piece would undoubtedly spend far too much time going down that road.Never mind that the vast percentage of movie villains are men -- often ugly, haggard men. But if you have the rare female villain, then suddenly it&#039;s a manifestation of sexism. It&#039;s like the feminists&#039; frequent complaint that while they loved the &quot;strong women&quot; of the golden age of Hollywood, they felt the one drawback was that these strong female characters had to &quot;be punished&quot; for their strength by the film&#039;s end -- when, in fact, these strong women were often criminals or even killers and, by all objective morality, should have been punished (as were all the male villains of the time, in keeping with the Breen/Hayes Code demands -- depending, of course, on how you viewed John Wayne&#039;s celluloid slaughter of Native Americans throughout his career). But while &quot;strong men&quot; were heroes doing heroic things (politics aside) &quot;strong women&quot; were usually villainous ladies who schemed to get away with those schemes, often deadly ones.They pretend that it&#039;s chauvinism when e&#039;re you dare question the noble stature, collectively or individually, of criminal women -- like, say, Amber Heard today.All of which is kind of fascinating, these oft-repeated narratives that are either untrue or highly selective at best.But, yes, I&#039;d like an over-arching grande dame guignol documentary, too, but one that appreciated the cinematic trend, considerable warts and all, without chiming on endlessly as they do about the &quot;degradation of women&quot; and how Hollywood discards women after a certain age or condemned them to the horror grist mill -- although much of the genre was indeed gristle. <img src="https://thelastdrivein.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nightmarebegins.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="width: 767px" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarky Oracle!, post: 332849, member: 57984"] I agree with this. But it's funny how with [I][B]aaalll[/B][/I] the endless documentaries on certain, films, TV shows, genre and trends, there are zero docs done for some of the biggest things out there, including some of the biggest TV series. It's weird, actually, what gets passed over. I guess "What Ever Happened to Good Taste?" is a stab at it for the grande dame guignol genre, but it's flawed for the reasons [USER=5079]@Crimson[/USER] states... I'd like a solid doc done on the subject, too, but especially in today's era, they'd focus [I][B]waayyy [/B][/I]too much on the objectification/dehumanization/demonization of women and aging women in movies and I just wouldn't have the stomach for that kind of predictable pseudo-analysis, which is likely the tone and angle of any such documentary. I mean, a brief reference to that or analysis of that "misogyny" angle would be fine, but the piece would undoubtedly spend far too much time going down that road. Never mind that the vast percentage of movie villains are men -- often ugly, haggard men. But if you have the rare female villain, then suddenly it's a manifestation of sexism. It's like the feminists' frequent complaint that while they loved the "strong women" of the golden age of Hollywood, they felt the one drawback was that these strong female characters had to "be punished" for their strength by the film's end -- when, in fact, these strong women were often criminals or even killers and, by all objective morality, [B][I]should [/I][/B]have been punished (as were all the male villains of the time, in keeping with the Breen/Hayes Code demands -- depending, of course, on how you viewed John Wayne's celluloid slaughter of Native Americans throughout his career). But while "strong men" were heroes doing heroic things (politics aside) "strong women" were usually villainous ladies who schemed to get away with those schemes, often deadly ones. They pretend that it's chauvinism when e're you dare question the noble stature, collectively or individually, of criminal women -- like, say, Amber Heard today. All of which is kind of fascinating, these oft-repeated narratives that are either untrue or highly selective at best. But, yes, I'd like an over-arching grande dame guignol documentary, too, but one that appreciated the cinematic trend, considerable warts and all, without chiming on endlessly as they do about the "degradation of women" and how Hollywood discards women after a certain age or condemned them to the horror grist mill -- although much of the genre was indeed gristle. [IMG width="767px"]https://thelastdrivein.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nightmarebegins.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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