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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 357221" data-attributes="member: 33">Pam was trying to get Cliff out of his depressive mood by telling him some home truths. It wasn't about how Digger brought them up which wasn't exactly as idyllic as you suggest, didn't he dump the children on Aunt Maggie so he could go out on the lash? She was telling Cliff that Digger had allowed himself to throw away his life and that she didn't want Cliff to go the same way. By contrast Cliff was never a loser, he was a fighter. Whenever he was knocked down he just continued fighting and Pam wanted to remind her brother of that. The thrust of her argument was Cliff was a better person than Digger so there was no reason for Cliff to feel like he had failed. Sometimes when you are having those types of conversation you have to use direct language to get your point across effectively and in that context saying Digger was a loser conveyed her point more strongly than if she just used warm words.</blockquote>