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If Miss Ellie And Clayton Gave Southfork To Bobby, How Did She Will Off Half To John Ross
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<blockquote data-quote="stevew" data-source="post: 295969" data-attributes="member: 130"><p>There is a lot we don’t know and specifics we were never told and original story issues that break with reality all of which make CC’s story plausible. </p><p></p><p>Miss Ellie just can’t give a billion dollar asset to Bobby and with the oil underneath the asset is with tens of billions. The gift tax would have forced Bobby to drill in order to pay it. So we have to assume the deed given was in trust and as such it is possible to then give half to John Ross.</p><p></p><p>Would she? Knowing the character I’d say yes. I’d also assume on Bobby’s death John Ross would get the other 1/2. She was determined to protect the ranch but she also stuck by tradition. Case in point she was willing to give the ranch to his brother when he showed up. She had to believe that JR was the rightful heir and that meant John Ross followed his father. So I have no trouble believing it. In fact I’d have found it more believable then what we saw on the original series.</p><p></p><p>The reality is the oil was split from the land and Miss Ellie knew it - that was trust number 1. Miss Ellie held that to her death and we never saw the paper so it could have said anything. It could have even forbad drilling and knowing her it would have. I’m also certain the house would have been separated from the land and business as well. For me to believe this was true to character:</p><p></p><p>1. In the original all Miss Ellie deeds to Bobby is the house. He was wealthy enough to pay that gift tax and then no the house wouldn’t suddenly go 1/2 to John Ross. But maybe what we didn’t see is she gave it, “the deed” to him in trust and then yes 1/2 could suddenly go to John Ross and yes I do believe that would be in character for her based on reasons stated above. </p><p></p><p>2. She would have sold the cattle company to Bobby in a deal that allowed the transfer and avoided gift taxes and included a $1 a year lease of the land. I can believe that happened unseen at the same time we saw him him get “the deed” to the house only. I can also believe this was also in trust so again 1/2 could have gone to John Ross.</p><p></p><p>3. She would have set up a foundation to give the land to in order to protect it, working out an agreement with the county to strip it if it’s development rights (not sure of the particulars of Texas law). This is the only story I’d believe of the original knowing both Miss Ellie and Clayton’s characters as smart and capable and how they felt about the land. And yes this could have been unseen as part of the original “deed” transfer - the details not spoken on screen. The foundation would hold the land and mineral rights as well as her and Clayton’s money to protect the land among other worthwhile causes - it would all be tied up. Hence a good explanation as to what happened to all that money.</p><p></p><p>Now the big question should have been who controls the foundation.</p><p></p><p>As for Christopher being rich, his inheritance from Pam would have been massive and no way Bobby sat back and let Cliff keep that from his son. Even if Pam put it in trust until Christoper was an old man and Cliff got to control it, Christoper would at least have been getting some pretty big checks.</p><p></p><p>I do believe with out a will and declared dead, Cliff could have taken control of Katherine’s estate.</p><p></p><p>I even believe that with trusts set up by Rebecca and both sisters declared dead what we saw in TNT of the Wentworth fortune could have happened as long as Chris was getting his cut of the income.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevew, post: 295969, member: 130"] There is a lot we don’t know and specifics we were never told and original story issues that break with reality all of which make CC’s story plausible. Miss Ellie just can’t give a billion dollar asset to Bobby and with the oil underneath the asset is with tens of billions. The gift tax would have forced Bobby to drill in order to pay it. So we have to assume the deed given was in trust and as such it is possible to then give half to John Ross. Would she? Knowing the character I’d say yes. I’d also assume on Bobby’s death John Ross would get the other 1/2. She was determined to protect the ranch but she also stuck by tradition. Case in point she was willing to give the ranch to his brother when he showed up. She had to believe that JR was the rightful heir and that meant John Ross followed his father. So I have no trouble believing it. In fact I’d have found it more believable then what we saw on the original series. The reality is the oil was split from the land and Miss Ellie knew it - that was trust number 1. Miss Ellie held that to her death and we never saw the paper so it could have said anything. It could have even forbad drilling and knowing her it would have. I’m also certain the house would have been separated from the land and business as well. For me to believe this was true to character: 1. In the original all Miss Ellie deeds to Bobby is the house. He was wealthy enough to pay that gift tax and then no the house wouldn’t suddenly go 1/2 to John Ross. But maybe what we didn’t see is she gave it, “the deed” to him in trust and then yes 1/2 could suddenly go to John Ross and yes I do believe that would be in character for her based on reasons stated above. 2. She would have sold the cattle company to Bobby in a deal that allowed the transfer and avoided gift taxes and included a $1 a year lease of the land. I can believe that happened unseen at the same time we saw him him get “the deed” to the house only. I can also believe this was also in trust so again 1/2 could have gone to John Ross. 3. She would have set up a foundation to give the land to in order to protect it, working out an agreement with the county to strip it if it’s development rights (not sure of the particulars of Texas law). This is the only story I’d believe of the original knowing both Miss Ellie and Clayton’s characters as smart and capable and how they felt about the land. And yes this could have been unseen as part of the original “deed” transfer - the details not spoken on screen. The foundation would hold the land and mineral rights as well as her and Clayton’s money to protect the land among other worthwhile causes - it would all be tied up. Hence a good explanation as to what happened to all that money. Now the big question should have been who controls the foundation. As for Christopher being rich, his inheritance from Pam would have been massive and no way Bobby sat back and let Cliff keep that from his son. Even if Pam put it in trust until Christoper was an old man and Cliff got to control it, Christoper would at least have been getting some pretty big checks. I do believe with out a will and declared dead, Cliff could have taken control of Katherine’s estate. I even believe that with trusts set up by Rebecca and both sisters declared dead what we saw in TNT of the Wentworth fortune could have happened as long as Chris was getting his cut of the income. [/QUOTE]
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