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<blockquote data-quote="Mustard" data-source="post: 337080" data-attributes="member: 46">I get the impression that Ray and Pam was a casual relationship and possibly over by the time that she was with Bobby, although the Ray/Pam relationship was recent by the time of the start of the series. Lucy did remark later that she had noticed that Pam had been getting acquainted with Bobby during one of the balls that Ray had brought Pam to.Don&#039;t these dynamics exist in every family?Was she wrong about wanting to stop the battle? I don&#039;t think so.That was all done before the battle had started, when Pam and Miss Ellie wanted the battle to be stopped before it had started.LOL.Ray&#039;s work ethic is his biggest strength. Gary is leisurely unless he really, really wants something. I&#039;ve mentioned before about Ray&#039;s flaws on the other hand, i.e. his issues with his self-esteem and how guilt, pride and shame could eat him up, while Gary didn&#039;t dwell on failures for too long before moving forward. That land deal that Ray did was particularly bad, where he invested heavily without doing the proper preparations first, the land turned out not to be stable, Ray felt ashamed having to ask Miss Ellie to help him out. Then there was some sort of problem at the bank because of J.R.&#039;s schemes against Farlows and the collateral he had used for huge loans. After Miss Ellie had sorted it all out and had access to the money, Ray had sold out at a massive financial loss. I think this is a bigger disaster than even Gary could have done at his worst, including the 1992 Tidal Energy scheme on Knots Landing where Gary blew his fortune and was back to being like he was financially when Jock was still alive.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustard, post: 337080, member: 46"] I get the impression that Ray and Pam was a casual relationship and possibly over by the time that she was with Bobby, although the Ray/Pam relationship was recent by the time of the start of the series. Lucy did remark later that she had noticed that Pam had been getting acquainted with Bobby during one of the balls that Ray had brought Pam to. Don't these dynamics exist in every family? Was she wrong about wanting to stop the battle? I don't think so. That was all done before the battle had started, when Pam and Miss Ellie wanted the battle to be stopped before it had started. LOL. Ray's work ethic is his biggest strength. Gary is leisurely unless he really, really wants something. I've mentioned before about Ray's flaws on the other hand, i.e. his issues with his self-esteem and how guilt, pride and shame could eat him up, while Gary didn't dwell on failures for too long before moving forward. That land deal that Ray did was particularly bad, where he invested heavily without doing the proper preparations first, the land turned out not to be stable, Ray felt ashamed having to ask Miss Ellie to help him out. Then there was some sort of problem at the bank because of J.R.'s schemes against Farlows and the collateral he had used for huge loans. After Miss Ellie had sorted it all out and had access to the money, Ray had sold out at a massive financial loss. I think this is a bigger disaster than even Gary could have done at his worst, including the 1992 Tidal Energy scheme on Knots Landing where Gary blew his fortune and was back to being like he was financially when Jock was still alive. [/QUOTE]

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