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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kenny Coyote" data-source="post: 208232" data-attributes="member: 102">The exchange between Steve and Garry has been interesting – one of the more interesting exchanges I’ve seen here in the last few weeks. Since this exchange didn't involve me,  I have no axe to grind here so I can add an impartial perspective. I’m gonna try to identify where the two sides here disagree, since Garry didn’t go into specifics and I’d like to go into specifics.First of all I didn’t know exactly what he meant in that first sentence since I don’t use the w word. I actually looked it up to see what it means according to a respected source such as Merriam-Webster and they said it’s black vernacular that is “slowly easing into the mainstream.” “Slowly easing into the mainstream” – sounds like a description of the coronavirus!Both of them doing that with the potential effect of destroying American society as we know it (one attacking rationality and the other attacking health) unless we stamp them both out - the quicker the better.I don’t agree with that particular part at all, and I happen to like a lot of Steve’s posts – he’s not trying to destroy our society – so no, the comparison doesn’t hold up. It was a line that did grab attention though which is what I believe it was designed to do.That’s what I agreed with.  I see no logic or even good taste in putting Bobby in Miss Ellie’s role and putting Sue Ellen in Jock’s role.You can’t make someone into something they naturally aren’t. You can’t make Bobby into Ellie (why would you want to???) and can’t make Sue Ellen into Jock (why the hell would you think you could???).  That’s just such a bizarre concept, but right now we’ve got a very small but very vocal minority in this country trying to start some type of war over gender pronouns, over what people “identify as”, and a bunch of other needless bullsh*t that’s been propagated primarily by liberal college professors and college students with too much time on their hands and no real problems to deal with, so they’ve actually invented problems that didn’t exist just so they have something to complain about.I didn’t see where Steve acknowledged this but that’s a compliment. Garry’s not trying to tear down Steve’s idea for the fun of it. He’s offering Steve constructive criticism here. Garry says it could be an interesting show and maybe it could but I agree 100% that “it should never be titled Dallas.” To me, and to others, the Dallas name stands for something. When people like [USER=6]@Sarah[/USER]  and [USER=21]@Barbara Fan[/USER] say they don't want any new Dallas at all, I didn't get it at first, but now I do! To us, Dallas is something valuable, it's got a very specific place in our hearts, and seeing it get changed into something it was never meant to be, would be very sad.Again, putting Bobby in the role of the mother, where does that even come from and why would anyone want to see that?  Why would anyone want to see Sue Ellen in the role of the father?Ellie’s role was her role because she was the mother. Jock’s role was Jock’s role because he was the father. One is a feminine role and one is a masculine role! I’d find it very disrespectful to the Dallas name to get into this kind of project that sounds like it would be the project of a kid majoring in gender studies at a liberal arts college.Even if gender were a non-issue, hypothetically, you've gotta realize that Jock and Sue Ellen were nothing alike. Jock, from the time he was a young man was the most ambitious man in the state of Texas. He worked harder and worked smarter than anyone else, and had some luck to go along with all that. The result as an empire he built from the ground up. He had a fire in his gut and an ambition so powerful, that if Sue Ellen were a competitor (hypothetically) he could turn her lights out just like snapping his fingers.Sue Ellen was a woman with no ambition other than to marry into a wealthy family and sponge off of them while they enabled her drinking habit. She didn't do anything! She didn't work, she didn't even cook! What was her purpose? What value did she contribute to the family? Nobody ever had to ask that about Jock Ewing. The two are absolutely nothing alike. I think Jock would have rather shot himself than to live like Sue Ellen, like a sponge, just leeching off of other people's money while he did nothing all day long but drink. He'd much rather have taken his own life than to ever have lived like Sue Ellen lived because he had self-respect and he had dignity.Dallas has dignity too - just like Jock. To see Dallas, become something that bears little if any resemblance to what Dallas was in 1980 when 90 million Americans tuned in on November 21st to find out who shot JR, would be heartbreaking. To see a show that was the number one show in the world relegated to a streaming site because it can't compete with the biggest shows on TV, to see it get sent down to the minor leagues where it can find a niche audience would be something none of us would ever want to see. It would be like watching that prize fighter you know has taken all the punishment he can and needs to retire, step into the ring in more time and get demolished, leaving the ring a shell of himself, with too few brain cells left to even count his money.  I don't want to see Dallas end up in a similar way.You do realize that while people absolutely love what Dallas started out as, they dislike and even hate what it became, right?  There are a few thousand threads here where that sentiment is clearly expressed by most if not all the forum members.  What Dallas became is not something to celebrate, or God forbid, continue – what it was is the downfall of what was once the greatest primetime drama series ever known to man.Even of you decide to disregard all that and go ahead, there are still some major problems with it as far as continuity.Sue Ellen and JR divorced in season 12, and that was the end of their relationship. They hated each other by then. Their two marriages were both brutally dysfunctional and they both couldn’t have been happier to get rid of the other. So how the hell do you figure Sue Ellen ends up inheriting Miss Ellie’s money? She’s gonna leave it to the cold blooded bitch who tried to murder her son?No! She’d leave her money to her sons and if she’s got any decency, she’’d treat them equally and give each a third of her money – one third for JR, one third for Bob, and one third for Gary. Probably she leaves some amount of money to Ray too since he was her stepson.When JR died there’s only one person he’d consider leaving his money to – his son John Ross. Bob would still have his third, and Gary would have his third. Sue Ellen wouldn’t have been left a penny.Also, John Ross doesn’t have a sister! People absolutely loathed Cynthia Cidre’s blatant changing of what we saw, her willingness to just twist Dallas history into whatever she wanted it to be, so why not learn from her mistakes? If John Ross didn’t have a sister, then he didn’t have one  - no matter what that clueless Cidre airhead thinks.I don't think think that Afton would have touched Jeremy Wendell with a ten foot pole, much less married him! She was, as my kids use to say, "creeped out" by Vaughan Leland to the point where she quit working for JR, even knowing full well that he'd try to ruin her career in Dallas. The idea of sleeping with an old man so turned her stomach to the point where she just couldn't do it, even though she knew she was hurting her singing career by turning JR against her!Then we consider that Jeremy Wendell expressly said on numerous occasions that he had no wife, that he stayed single for a very specific reason - he wanted no distractions from his career. He wanted to be, and was, as he said, "cold and implacable with no chinks in my armor." That's Jeremy's M.O. That's what he made the conscious decision to do to give him an edge over everyone else and hell, it worked! He became CEO of the biggest oil company in Texas. That was his passion. When young, hot women would hit in him, and some even threw themselves at him, he always resisted the temptation. That's the price Jeremy Wended was willing to pay for greatness. Change that and you destroy the whole foundation of the character.There’s one more big problem. No Ewing is in the oil industry in your scenario. Dallas is about a family primarily in the oil business! It also secondarily in the ranching business, but first and foremost they are an oil industry family. Take away the oil industry and you take away that which the show is built upon. Jock Ewing had oil in his blood and Miss Ellie knew it when she married him. JR ate, breathed, and drank the oil business. So you have John Ross III "dabbling in business, politics, and ranching"? That makes him a dilettante.Nobody wants to watch a show about a dilettante. It's only natural that John Ross III would be an oilman. It's his heritage, his birthright, it's something that's bred in him, it's what his father and grandfather were made of, it's what he's got to be.</blockquote>

Verification: Who played JR Ewing?