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<blockquote data-quote="Toni" data-source="post: 144087" data-attributes="member: 82">Jock was a great man, but he also was a big fat liar, an adulterous and a con man when he had to. That´s the way &quot;Dallas&quot; was written and the way that made us love it so much. But hey, let´s not be so adoring towards this character who was afraid of a woman being able to manipulate his son (Leslie), and who considered Sue Ellen as a baby machine in the early days.And regarding his father skills, he only cared about JR because he needed someone to run Ewing Oil in the future, just like JR needed John Ross for that same reason. None of them were good fathers, and much less JR. When you are one, you don´t use your son for your own benefit, you don´t kidnap him, you don´t bash your wife (or your brothers) when he can hear you, etc.So to me Jock was a lousy father, not only because of the way JR turned out to, but also because he let Bobby become a violent man, and he almost disowned Gary just because he wasn´t up to his old-fashioned standards of what a man should be. And don´t forget that he allowed JR to take Baby Lucy away from Val, an incongruency that I could never understand about Miss Ellie´s backstory. A few mistakes? I´d say that he mellowed with age, but actually, he eventually grew up to have a few good qualities. Just my two cents...Oh and let´s remember that &quot;The Early Years&quot; was produced and aired during the Dream Season, so maybe it was one of Pam´s sweet dreams too. [ATTACH=full]14120[/ATTACH]
&quot;Bidness is bidness. Whatever.
Takapa all the way!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Toni, post: 144087, member: 82"] Jock was a great man, but he also was a big fat liar, an adulterous and a con man when he had to. That´s the way "Dallas" was written and the way that made us love it so much. But hey, let´s not be so adoring towards this character who was afraid of a woman being able to manipulate his son (Leslie), and who considered Sue Ellen as a baby machine in the early days. And regarding his father skills, he only cared about JR because he needed someone to run Ewing Oil in the future, just like JR needed John Ross for that same reason. None of them were good fathers, and much less JR. When you are one, you don´t use your son for your own benefit, you don´t kidnap him, you don´t bash your wife (or your brothers) when he can hear you, etc. So to me Jock was a lousy father, not only because of the way JR turned out to, but also because he let Bobby become a violent man, and he almost disowned Gary just because he wasn´t up to his old-fashioned standards of what a man should be. And don´t forget that he allowed JR to take Baby Lucy away from Val, an incongruency that I could never understand about Miss Ellie´s backstory. A few mistakes? I´d say that he mellowed with age, but actually, he eventually grew up to have a few good qualities. Just my two cents... Oh and let´s remember that "The Early Years" was produced and aired during the Dream Season, so maybe it was one of Pam´s sweet dreams too. [CENTER][ATTACH=full]14120[/ATTACH] "Bidness is bidness. Whatever. Takapa all the way!"[/CENTER] [/QUOTE]

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Who played Sue Ellen in Dallas?