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<blockquote data-quote="Sarah" data-source="post: 167891" data-attributes="member: 6"><p>Great questions and thank you for keeping the discussion going!!! I have seen the movies so DO count them. However hopefully my answers will cover with movies and without. </p><p></p><p>When I saw that JR Returns was on the shelf in my local video store (yes a video store, long before the widespread use of the internet!!) I almost collapsed. I was with my first boyfriend at the time and was trying to be all cool, but my love for Dallas had never went away. When I lifted the cassette and LINDA GRAY AND LARRY HAGMAN were on the back, I almost peed myself. It was all too much. I didn't know a thing about it coming back and I had to wait until my boyfriend was out of the way (he was an asshole and with hindsight not worth the hassle!) and I went back and rented it. The video store were lucky to get it back as I rented it for days...and days...and days.....</p><p></p><p>I'll try and answer your questions as I see them, but not sure if it will be from Sarah's fantasy world of JR and Sue Ellen or if it's 'realistic' answers - so here goes.</p><p></p><p><strong>1. JR Returns was made in 1996 - but there is no reference to it BEING 1996 when Sue Ellen and John Ross fly home from London. Sue Ellen had left Dallas in 1989 with Dallas ending in 1991. I find it hard to believe in my head that they had NO contact for 7 years. So I think she went to England but that the marriage to Don didn't last anymore than a year/year and a half at best. As you say, she would have had no reason to stay in England other than to stay as far away from JR as she had said she wanted to. But I don't think she did want to and likely came back around 1992 when she believed JR had been killed. This would give time to team up with Bobby etc and make her own life. **Just a reference within JR Returns that I want to point out. When John Ross tells her that JR has been killed in a car accident, Sue Ellen says 'Not my baby...my God....'. These are her words. Another poster a long time ago thought she was saying 'No my baby' (to John Ross). She isn't. She's referring to JR as her baby. I know Linda Gray well enough to know what she was saying!!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>2. I don't believe JR was in the depressed state for 20 years. Although the shooting of himself is cleared up by Bobby saying he shot the mirror, and JR probably did need some form of counselling/mental health help afterwards, given all the crap he'd pulled, I don't think he was there for 20 years. I don't think JR could sit still for 20 years, unless we are to believe he was TOTALLY defeated. I do believe Sue Ellen leaving had a MASSIVE impact on him which was hard to come back from, but it's hard to tie the movies together with TNT because of continuity. So I like to think somewhere between JR Returns and TNT, that he just couldn't survive with things the way they were with Sue Ellen - he couldn't live without her as his wife and couldn't handle what had become of him in business, so he did go a bit mad. However, as much as I do believe he needed help and a rest, the home we see in TNT is also JR's way of making everyone feel sorry for him.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>3. This one is a tough one. If the movies are included, JR and Sue Ellen slept together when she returned to Dallas after she thought he was killed in the car accident. But then he STUPIDLY went and started messing around with that cheap hag Anita. I don't understand why JR and Sue Ellen weren't together in War of the Ewings. I don't get it. It didn't make sense to me that Sue Ellen would live at Southfork and not be with JR as his partner or wife. JR did try to make a move on her in WOTE, but she wasn't having it. However it is very clear the love is still there when he stops her from being hurt by McKay's henchman and she runs to rip open his shirt when she thinks he's been shot (oh my!!!) </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>What I LIKE to believe happened prior to 2012 was that they were living very closely with Sue Ellen having her own independence at her own house, running a business that has nothing to do with oil, and that JR and her have a close and friendly relationship and that the flame between them is still very much lit. He looks out for her and he's made it clear how stupid he was and that he wants her back. I'd like to think they maybe started to see each other again but that she refuses to marry him. JR is doing his best to show her he's changed for good. I never liked that they made Sue Ellen go into the oil business - it's not who Sue Ellen is. She would be much better being like a fashion executive, having her own life. As much as I want her with JR, I do not like that the writers made her so resentful in the end. Had she walked away and not made the movie, got WestStar etc - they would have been back together and all our questions (hopes prayers and dreams!!!!) would have been answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>I hope that makes sense. I'll probably add more later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sarah, post: 167891, member: 6"] Great questions and thank you for keeping the discussion going!!! I have seen the movies so DO count them. However hopefully my answers will cover with movies and without. When I saw that JR Returns was on the shelf in my local video store (yes a video store, long before the widespread use of the internet!!) I almost collapsed. I was with my first boyfriend at the time and was trying to be all cool, but my love for Dallas had never went away. When I lifted the cassette and LINDA GRAY AND LARRY HAGMAN were on the back, I almost peed myself. It was all too much. I didn't know a thing about it coming back and I had to wait until my boyfriend was out of the way (he was an asshole and with hindsight not worth the hassle!) and I went back and rented it. The video store were lucky to get it back as I rented it for days...and days...and days..... I'll try and answer your questions as I see them, but not sure if it will be from Sarah's fantasy world of JR and Sue Ellen or if it's 'realistic' answers - so here goes. [B]1. JR Returns was made in 1996 - but there is no reference to it BEING 1996 when Sue Ellen and John Ross fly home from London. Sue Ellen had left Dallas in 1989 with Dallas ending in 1991. I find it hard to believe in my head that they had NO contact for 7 years. So I think she went to England but that the marriage to Don didn't last anymore than a year/year and a half at best. As you say, she would have had no reason to stay in England other than to stay as far away from JR as she had said she wanted to. But I don't think she did want to and likely came back around 1992 when she believed JR had been killed. This would give time to team up with Bobby etc and make her own life. **Just a reference within JR Returns that I want to point out. When John Ross tells her that JR has been killed in a car accident, Sue Ellen says 'Not my baby...my God....'. These are her words. Another poster a long time ago thought she was saying 'No my baby' (to John Ross). She isn't. She's referring to JR as her baby. I know Linda Gray well enough to know what she was saying!!!! ;) 2. I don't believe JR was in the depressed state for 20 years. Although the shooting of himself is cleared up by Bobby saying he shot the mirror, and JR probably did need some form of counselling/mental health help afterwards, given all the crap he'd pulled, I don't think he was there for 20 years. I don't think JR could sit still for 20 years, unless we are to believe he was TOTALLY defeated. I do believe Sue Ellen leaving had a MASSIVE impact on him which was hard to come back from, but it's hard to tie the movies together with TNT because of continuity. So I like to think somewhere between JR Returns and TNT, that he just couldn't survive with things the way they were with Sue Ellen - he couldn't live without her as his wife and couldn't handle what had become of him in business, so he did go a bit mad. However, as much as I do believe he needed help and a rest, the home we see in TNT is also JR's way of making everyone feel sorry for him. 3. This one is a tough one. If the movies are included, JR and Sue Ellen slept together when she returned to Dallas after she thought he was killed in the car accident. But then he STUPIDLY went and started messing around with that cheap hag Anita. I don't understand why JR and Sue Ellen weren't together in War of the Ewings. I don't get it. It didn't make sense to me that Sue Ellen would live at Southfork and not be with JR as his partner or wife. JR did try to make a move on her in WOTE, but she wasn't having it. However it is very clear the love is still there when he stops her from being hurt by McKay's henchman and she runs to rip open his shirt when she thinks he's been shot (oh my!!!) What I LIKE to believe happened prior to 2012 was that they were living very closely with Sue Ellen having her own independence at her own house, running a business that has nothing to do with oil, and that JR and her have a close and friendly relationship and that the flame between them is still very much lit. He looks out for her and he's made it clear how stupid he was and that he wants her back. I'd like to think they maybe started to see each other again but that she refuses to marry him. JR is doing his best to show her he's changed for good. I never liked that they made Sue Ellen go into the oil business - it's not who Sue Ellen is. She would be much better being like a fashion executive, having her own life. As much as I want her with JR, I do not like that the writers made her so resentful in the end. Had she walked away and not made the movie, got WestStar etc - they would have been back together and all our questions (hopes prayers and dreams!!!!) would have been answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B] I hope that makes sense. I'll probably add more later. [/QUOTE]
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