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<blockquote data-quote="Karin Schill" data-source="post: 144941"><p>Cool let us know if you find it. Also I agree with you about Meg. She was badly recasted. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think they ruined Ben's character in season 8. The whole Jean Hackney thing was so annoying. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p>But yeah I also think he decided to leave the show rather than was being let go.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point. If the other messages were ever filmed yes it would have made more sense to use one that was for age 12. But since I doubt they filmed the other messages they had to go with what we knew and since the audience was already familiar with that particular video tape message it does come full circle and add a sadness to it.</p><p></p><p>Okay so tonight we watched <strong>"Knots Landing Reunion: Together Again"...</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>I love this reunion. It's close to 90 minutes of Knots goodies and they even got Alec Baldwin, Julie Harris (then in her 80s) and Don Murray to participate. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Nicholette Sheridan participated too even though she was at the height of her <em>Desperate Housewives</em> (2004-2012) fame at the time which just shows that she never forgot where she came from and the show was important to her. My guess is that the reason she didn't appear with the others when they filmed the group footage was probably due to conflicts in schedules.</p><p></p><p>Anyway in this special we get to see Michele Lee, Joan van Ark, Ted Shackelford, Kevin Dobson, Donna Mills, William Devane, Lisa Hartman Black and Michelle Phillips get together and reminisce about their time on the show. We get to see Ted & Joan talk about Gary and Val, Michele & Kevin talk about Karen & Mack. Those two were by far the main couples on the show and I loved what they said about their characters and their relationships with each other. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>William & Donna also talk a bit about Abby and Greg and being bad on the show. The ladies talk in two groups about fashions on the show and about friendships and being working moms on the show. Abby is credited with hitting that glass ceiling, meaning that she was a woman in a man's world and she made it, which is great. The only sad thing about it is how women in the 1980s were portrayed as using sex to make it. Like a woman (like Abby and Paige) can't make it in a man's world if she isn't sexy and sleeps around. <img src="http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/censored/t10501.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censer:" title="Censor :censer:" data-shortname=":censer:" /> I think in the #me too era that is just wrong on so many levels! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Don Murray's interview sheds some light on why he left the show. It is hinted at that he thought he had a movie career ahead of him. Mack was brought in by the producers to attract a male audience to the show. They needed a guy they could identify with.</p><p></p><p>I wish they had included a bit more of Julie Harris talking with the group, as although her surprise visit was nice and I loved the cast's reactions to seeing her as it is very clear that she was very much loved by her co-stars, it seems like it was slightly a waste to bring her in and then not let her say much. Especially since they kept this mystery guest for the very last. It was like the audience was waiting for her to show up and then when she finally did the show was already over. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>I also think it was a bit sad that they never mentioned Kim Lankford and James Houghton, although their characters of Ginger and Kenny might not be all that memorable they were original cast members and it's like they never appeared on the show at all.</p><p></p><p>Moreover I really wish they could have gotten Constance McCashin to join them and John Pleshette. I missed those two more than Ginger and Kenny. Especially since Laura was on the show much longer.</p><p></p><p>Yet I do think this documentary has lots going for it. It reunites most of our favorite characters/cast from the show. We get to see them interact with each other on the cul-de-sac like if they'd never left. We learn some funny facts that we've never knew before like for instance how the network thought Abby was having an orgasm in the hot tub scene every time Richard touched her when Donna in reality was just shivering from the cold water. <img src="http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/fun/m0167.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="rotf" title="ROTF rotf" data-shortname="rotf" /></p><p></p><p>We get to see some hilarious bloopers. <img src="http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling-lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rlol:" title="Roll lol :rlol:" data-shortname=":rlol:" /></p><p></p><p>We get a music video collage of sorts with lots of hugs and sweet moments from the show towards the end. The song used is "Open Arms" which was the first song Lisa sang on the show. So cute. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>The clips and conversations all match each other perfectly in a way that makes me actually wonder about the way this documentary was created. I mean when I first watched this back in 2005 I was totally excited about just seeing them all together again so I thought that the conversations were completely natural. However watching it now I am sure some of it was scripted too, only question is how much?<img src="http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/think/m1703.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":think:" title="Think :think:" data-shortname=":think:" /></p><p></p><p>Obviously the pieces when they were presenting things were scripted then as for the conversation pieces my guess would be that they had gotten some topics that they were going to talk freely around. Like maybe some key scenes or something. But yes the scenes and the conversations about particular storyarcs match really well. I guess it's possible that they taped the conversations first and then dug up the clips to match them in the editing. But it's also possible they were instructed to talk about particular scenes. Either way it's really brilliantly done and I think it shows that the way documentaries are done has evolved since the 1993 one, as I think this one surpasses it. <img src="http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/misc/m0719.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hat:" title="Hat :hat:" data-shortname=":hat:" /></p><p></p><p>In fact I love all three documentaries made by the same producers, the 2004 one about Dallas, this one and the Dynasty one from 2006. After those three I had expected them to make one about the final great prime time soap of the 1980s - Falcon Crest too but sadly they never did.</p><p></p><p>Anyway back to this Knots Landing documentary, to sum up. I think this is a great documentary that is a real treat for the fans to watch. <img src="https://smileyshack.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/shappy_clap_100-101.gif?w=150&h=133" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":clap:" title="Clap :clap:" data-shortname=":clap:" /></p><p>Only sad thing is it's the last thing on <em>Knots Landing</em> that's been made so now there's nothing more to watch and after 1 ½ years of revisiting the cul-de-sac I will miss watching one of my most favorite shows every day. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>In fact next year it's the 40th Anniversary since<em> Knots Landing</em> first came on the air. So I think that would be a perfect time to bring it back on the screen. <img src="http://yoursmiles.org/ksmile/babe/k0512.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":gotcha:" title="Gotcha :gotcha:" data-shortname=":gotcha:" /></p><p>I know for sure that I'd love to watch either an other documentary with the cast like this one or better yet a revival of the original show, not a reboot like the Dynasty one, but a continuation like the Dallas one! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>But <em>only if</em> they get David Jacobs on board with it, since the key to a revivals' success is to get the original producers/writers on board too. I think that's why the new Dallas (2012-2014) didn't succeed with recapturing the success of the original, whereas the Fuller House one (2016 - ?) totally does and is still going strong after 3 ½ seasons.</p><p>So if anyone who works at some tv network in Hollywood would be happening to be reading this thread, (not likely I know but still), please do bring the show back on the air! <img src="http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/black/t1607.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cool1" title="Cool1 :cool1" data-shortname=":cool1" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Karin Schill, post: 144941"] Cool let us know if you find it. Also I agree with you about Meg. She was badly recasted. :( I think they ruined Ben's character in season 8. The whole Jean Hackney thing was so annoying. :( But yeah I also think he decided to leave the show rather than was being let go. Good point. If the other messages were ever filmed yes it would have made more sense to use one that was for age 12. But since I doubt they filmed the other messages they had to go with what we knew and since the audience was already familiar with that particular video tape message it does come full circle and add a sadness to it. Okay so tonight we watched [B]"Knots Landing Reunion: Together Again"... [/B] I love this reunion. It's close to 90 minutes of Knots goodies and they even got Alec Baldwin, Julie Harris (then in her 80s) and Don Murray to participate. :) Nicholette Sheridan participated too even though she was at the height of her [I]Desperate Housewives[/I] (2004-2012) fame at the time which just shows that she never forgot where she came from and the show was important to her. My guess is that the reason she didn't appear with the others when they filmed the group footage was probably due to conflicts in schedules. Anyway in this special we get to see Michele Lee, Joan van Ark, Ted Shackelford, Kevin Dobson, Donna Mills, William Devane, Lisa Hartman Black and Michelle Phillips get together and reminisce about their time on the show. We get to see Ted & Joan talk about Gary and Val, Michele & Kevin talk about Karen & Mack. Those two were by far the main couples on the show and I loved what they said about their characters and their relationships with each other. :) William & Donna also talk a bit about Abby and Greg and being bad on the show. The ladies talk in two groups about fashions on the show and about friendships and being working moms on the show. Abby is credited with hitting that glass ceiling, meaning that she was a woman in a man's world and she made it, which is great. The only sad thing about it is how women in the 1980s were portrayed as using sex to make it. Like a woman (like Abby and Paige) can't make it in a man's world if she isn't sexy and sleeps around. :censer: I think in the #me too era that is just wrong on so many levels! :( Don Murray's interview sheds some light on why he left the show. It is hinted at that he thought he had a movie career ahead of him. Mack was brought in by the producers to attract a male audience to the show. They needed a guy they could identify with. I wish they had included a bit more of Julie Harris talking with the group, as although her surprise visit was nice and I loved the cast's reactions to seeing her as it is very clear that she was very much loved by her co-stars, it seems like it was slightly a waste to bring her in and then not let her say much. Especially since they kept this mystery guest for the very last. It was like the audience was waiting for her to show up and then when she finally did the show was already over. :( I also think it was a bit sad that they never mentioned Kim Lankford and James Houghton, although their characters of Ginger and Kenny might not be all that memorable they were original cast members and it's like they never appeared on the show at all. Moreover I really wish they could have gotten Constance McCashin to join them and John Pleshette. I missed those two more than Ginger and Kenny. Especially since Laura was on the show much longer. Yet I do think this documentary has lots going for it. It reunites most of our favorite characters/cast from the show. We get to see them interact with each other on the cul-de-sac like if they'd never left. We learn some funny facts that we've never knew before like for instance how the network thought Abby was having an orgasm in the hot tub scene every time Richard touched her when Donna in reality was just shivering from the cold water. rotf We get to see some hilarious bloopers. :rlol: We get a music video collage of sorts with lots of hugs and sweet moments from the show towards the end. The song used is "Open Arms" which was the first song Lisa sang on the show. So cute. :) The clips and conversations all match each other perfectly in a way that makes me actually wonder about the way this documentary was created. I mean when I first watched this back in 2005 I was totally excited about just seeing them all together again so I thought that the conversations were completely natural. However watching it now I am sure some of it was scripted too, only question is how much?:think: Obviously the pieces when they were presenting things were scripted then as for the conversation pieces my guess would be that they had gotten some topics that they were going to talk freely around. Like maybe some key scenes or something. But yes the scenes and the conversations about particular storyarcs match really well. I guess it's possible that they taped the conversations first and then dug up the clips to match them in the editing. But it's also possible they were instructed to talk about particular scenes. Either way it's really brilliantly done and I think it shows that the way documentaries are done has evolved since the 1993 one, as I think this one surpasses it. :hat: In fact I love all three documentaries made by the same producers, the 2004 one about Dallas, this one and the Dynasty one from 2006. After those three I had expected them to make one about the final great prime time soap of the 1980s - Falcon Crest too but sadly they never did. Anyway back to this Knots Landing documentary, to sum up. I think this is a great documentary that is a real treat for the fans to watch. :clap: Only sad thing is it's the last thing on [I]Knots Landing[/I] that's been made so now there's nothing more to watch and after 1 ½ years of revisiting the cul-de-sac I will miss watching one of my most favorite shows every day. :( In fact next year it's the 40th Anniversary since[I] Knots Landing[/I] first came on the air. So I think that would be a perfect time to bring it back on the screen. :gotcha: I know for sure that I'd love to watch either an other documentary with the cast like this one or better yet a revival of the original show, not a reboot like the Dynasty one, but a continuation like the Dallas one! ;) But [I]only if[/I] they get David Jacobs on board with it, since the key to a revivals' success is to get the original producers/writers on board too. I think that's why the new Dallas (2012-2014) didn't succeed with recapturing the success of the original, whereas the Fuller House one (2016 - ?) totally does and is still going strong after 3 ½ seasons. So if anyone who works at some tv network in Hollywood would be happening to be reading this thread, (not likely I know but still), please do bring the show back on the air! :cool1 [/QUOTE]
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