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<blockquote data-quote="Mustard" data-source="post: 135142" data-attributes="member: 46"><p>For devil's advocate arguments sake. I'll argue the point.</p><p></p><p>In Swansong, Bobby said to Pam that Jenna called off their engagement after it had showed on Bobby's face that it was Pam that he really loved. In reality, it could just have been that Jenna could see that her relationship with Bobby was in a different place compared to the time before Naldo kidnapped Charlie just before Bobby and Jenna's wedding. If so, Bobby showing up the next day (after Pam's dream) to say that he was marrying Pam would have been a shock to Jenna.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Correct. 1985-1986 on Knots Landing had Gary grieving for Bobby as Abby consoled him and then travelling to Dallas for Bobby's funeral, with Abby and Greg using Gary's absence to advance their plans at Empire Valley. Therefore, in the Knots Landing universe that we watched on screen, the events of Pam's dream (the 1985-86 Dallas season) really happened over in Dallas. The TNT Dallas versions of Gary and Val are from the universe where Bobby didn't die in 1985, so the events of 1985-1993 Knots Landing (Seasons 7-14 of Knots Landing, plus 1997 Back to the Cul-de-sac) would have been different to some extent in the universe where Bobby lived on compared to the Knots Landing we watched on screen which is the universe where Bobby died.</p><p></p><p>I wanted to stay in the universe where Bobby was dead, personally. I much preferred the way that events developed there compared to the universe where Bobby carried on living.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wish I knew the entire full story behind it. It obviously starts with the increasing conflicts between Capice and Katzman way before Bobby's on screen death. In the spring and summer of 1985, and for some time afterwards, Capice seemed to have won that particular battle, but it soon went the other way very fast with Capice out of Dallas entirely and Katzman as the big boss in the Executive Producer's chair. I know that Katzman's biggest supporters were Larry Hagman and Patrick Duffy, and Capice's biggest supporters were Susan Howard, Victoria Principal, Dack Rambo and Barbara Bel Geddes. Others seemed to be in the middle. It speaks volumes though that Rambo was politically dead as far as Dallas was concerned once Capice was gone and Duffy came back, with Rambo's promotion to main starring status painting a false picture of the real situation behind the scenes. Susan Howard disliked the new way that the storyline with Donna went after the dream, with Donna and Ray drifting apart and those very good previous season storylines with Donna and Ray annulled. Victoria Principal was obviously very unimpressed by the dumbing down of Pam. Rambo, Howard and Principal were soon gone altogether from Dallas, although Principal's departure was her own choice.</p><p></p><p>I've mentioned it before, but it's really makes me laugh that Katzman and Hagman used the excuse that J.R. was unacceptably weak and the women were too strong in raging against Capice in 1985-1986, and then Katzman and Hagman together from 1988-1991 as Executive Producers made J.R. far weaker than he had ever been.</p><p></p><p>And I wonder what Barbara Carrera's part in all this political conflict is, too? I noticed that she doesn't really like to comment on the behind the scenes stuff regarding her time on Dallas. I bet she ruffled some chauvinistic feathers on the Dallas set, and I would guess with Principal backing her up. I think this came across on screen when Angelica said to Pam (I might be paraphrasing slightly) "Such a pleasure doing business with a woman. Women always manage to dispense with subterfuge. Don't you agree?". Considering the ultra-machismo of the following season, this exchange between Angelica and Pam must have rattled certain people's cages on Dallas.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustard, post: 135142, member: 46"] For devil's advocate arguments sake. I'll argue the point. In Swansong, Bobby said to Pam that Jenna called off their engagement after it had showed on Bobby's face that it was Pam that he really loved. In reality, it could just have been that Jenna could see that her relationship with Bobby was in a different place compared to the time before Naldo kidnapped Charlie just before Bobby and Jenna's wedding. If so, Bobby showing up the next day (after Pam's dream) to say that he was marrying Pam would have been a shock to Jenna. Correct. 1985-1986 on Knots Landing had Gary grieving for Bobby as Abby consoled him and then travelling to Dallas for Bobby's funeral, with Abby and Greg using Gary's absence to advance their plans at Empire Valley. Therefore, in the Knots Landing universe that we watched on screen, the events of Pam's dream (the 1985-86 Dallas season) really happened over in Dallas. The TNT Dallas versions of Gary and Val are from the universe where Bobby didn't die in 1985, so the events of 1985-1993 Knots Landing (Seasons 7-14 of Knots Landing, plus 1997 Back to the Cul-de-sac) would have been different to some extent in the universe where Bobby lived on compared to the Knots Landing we watched on screen which is the universe where Bobby died. I wanted to stay in the universe where Bobby was dead, personally. I much preferred the way that events developed there compared to the universe where Bobby carried on living. I wish I knew the entire full story behind it. It obviously starts with the increasing conflicts between Capice and Katzman way before Bobby's on screen death. In the spring and summer of 1985, and for some time afterwards, Capice seemed to have won that particular battle, but it soon went the other way very fast with Capice out of Dallas entirely and Katzman as the big boss in the Executive Producer's chair. I know that Katzman's biggest supporters were Larry Hagman and Patrick Duffy, and Capice's biggest supporters were Susan Howard, Victoria Principal, Dack Rambo and Barbara Bel Geddes. Others seemed to be in the middle. It speaks volumes though that Rambo was politically dead as far as Dallas was concerned once Capice was gone and Duffy came back, with Rambo's promotion to main starring status painting a false picture of the real situation behind the scenes. Susan Howard disliked the new way that the storyline with Donna went after the dream, with Donna and Ray drifting apart and those very good previous season storylines with Donna and Ray annulled. Victoria Principal was obviously very unimpressed by the dumbing down of Pam. Rambo, Howard and Principal were soon gone altogether from Dallas, although Principal's departure was her own choice. I've mentioned it before, but it's really makes me laugh that Katzman and Hagman used the excuse that J.R. was unacceptably weak and the women were too strong in raging against Capice in 1985-1986, and then Katzman and Hagman together from 1988-1991 as Executive Producers made J.R. far weaker than he had ever been. And I wonder what Barbara Carrera's part in all this political conflict is, too? I noticed that she doesn't really like to comment on the behind the scenes stuff regarding her time on Dallas. I bet she ruffled some chauvinistic feathers on the Dallas set, and I would guess with Principal backing her up. I think this came across on screen when Angelica said to Pam (I might be paraphrasing slightly) "Such a pleasure doing business with a woman. Women always manage to dispense with subterfuge. Don't you agree?". Considering the ultra-machismo of the following season, this exchange between Angelica and Pam must have rattled certain people's cages on Dallas. [/QUOTE]
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