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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CeeCee72" data-source="post: 399403" data-attributes="member: 5055">We have talked a lot on this forum about all of JR's evil deeds. JR never hesitated to hurt those he claimed to love in order to get what he wanted. He mortgages Southfork. He blackmailed Bobby over Christopher. He brought in Lisa Aldean. He ignored his own sons whenever it suited him. He hurt Sue Ellen over and over. Being "loved" by JR offered no protection against being hurt by him.But, can't we also say the same thing about Sue Ellen?Not the early Sue Ellen. Yes, she was snobby and vapid and selfish. But the Sue Ellen from later seasons was ruthless.Seems to me she wanted JR to suffer and that is the only thing she cares about.She tried to start up her affair with Cliff again for no other reason than she knew it would annoy JR - not caring about Cliff's feelings at all.She manipulated poor, stupid Cally in order to make sure JR married her just because she knew JR would eventually be miserable in that marriage. She didn't seem to care one bit about how badly Cally would get hurt or how it would all disrupt and confuse her own son's life.She plotted to make sure JR didn't get his hands on West Star, not stopping for one minute to think about how much JR would hate her for that and how that would negatively impact her son.She drug Nicholas into her feud with JR not caring how it would affect him (and the poor guy ended up dead over it).She made that stupid movie KNOWING it had the potential to hurt so many people she claimed to love (Ellie, Bobby, John Ross).By the end of the character's run, it's hard to argue that SE wasn't every bit as evil as JR.</blockquote>

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