What was the last documentary you watched?

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I'M CHEVY CHASE AND YOU'RE NOT was, like its subject, anti-interesting and anti-funny. I don't know how he was ever the breakout star of the first cast of SNL. I think he was the least interesting of the bunch, which is saying a lot with Lorraine Newman there. Sure he made a couple funny movies in the early 80s, but I don't find them funny because of him. They'd have been just as funny, if not more so, with Bill Murray or Steve Martin. Watching him dodder around at 80 trying to do schtick reminded me of the elderly Three Stooges.

I'm old enough to remember Season 1 of SNL -- in fact, I'm a charter viewer, having watched the very first episode with George Carlin in October 1975 -- and I've been with it through thick and, too often, very thin. (Except for the early-'80s, when producer Lorne Michaels was gone for five years, and the tone was just ... too '80s (even Eddie Murphy couldn't keep me reeled in to the show).

At the time, it seemed self-evident somehow that Chevy Chase would become the first star to emerge from SNL, because ... well... he just seemed the most like "a star" (you'd have to have been there). And when he left shortly into Season 2, it was a bit of a shock.

But I didn't miss him for long. (Decades later, Taran Killam was a bigger loss, because Taran could actually do stuff). The only thing Chevy Chase brought to the show was a constant smugness. That was his skill.
 

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Chevy Chase would become the first star to emerge from SNL, because ... well... he just seemed the most like "a star"

Well that I can see. Even from clips of that first season, I don't find him funny; but he had the confidence (and hair) of a rockstar. And in a few years, he was a balding fuddy duddy.
 

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I wasn't very vocal about it at the time it was happening and I decided to watch it now that there has been created significant distance between then & now.
As the documentary keeps emphasising, it's not about the truth it's about credibility, which is massively complicated by the fact that they are both actors, and they both acted during this trial. Johnny Depp is the better actor who played it consistently while Amber's performance was all over the place.
Regardless of the truth - and any sane person would understand that it can't be as black & white as many people believed it to be - I think it has contributed to the fact that the sensibilities surrounding this trial shifted from pro-Depp to anti-Heard.
Because it's one thing to tell a lie, but another to tell it unconvincingly. And she kept failing in her post-trial interviews.

The trial is also coloured by the negative impact of MeToo since it had become obvious that this positive movement was also used for dishonest motivations like revenge and narcissism and publicity. Amber had profiled herself as a poster child for MeToo, and ended up on the other side of the spectrum.
All things considered I feel it's not really about them, but more about the interactive, bloodthirsty involvement of the spectators.
Justified hatred is still hatred and I must say that this documentary left a bad taste in my mouth.
 

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All things considered I feel it's not really about them, but more about the interactive, bloodthirsty involvement of the spectators.

Amber was more bloodthirsty than those spectators.

Does the documentary go into those audiotapes Depp made of he and Amber -- audiotapes that were mysteriously ignored by the media after they were played once in the trial? Tapes where Amber admits to Depp to her being the abuser, admits that what she finds frustrating is that whenever she "wants to fight" Johnny leaves the room, and she also predicts that "if this goes to court, I'll win because I'm a thin blonde woman."

If the genders were switched, those tapes would have been replayed endlessly over the last four years. Instead, geriatric CIA asset, Gloria Steinem, comes out 6 months later -- obviously nudged -- and proclaims her support for Amber Heard, and, because the queen has spoken, dozens of feminists group come out to support Steinem's support of Amber Heard.

None of them gave a damn about what actually came out in court. And neither did the media (which is now run by feminists).
 

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It was all very soapy with that verdict cliffhanger before the weekend, and the mini-special guest appearance by Kate Moss (like Bianca Jagger in THE COLBYS).
The Johnny Depp supporters even bought (?!) Sealed Files that could not be used during the trial, only to discover that one of those files confirms at least one claim of abuse made by Amber. Knowing too much sometimes backfires. Ha!
At the same time, the modern interactive situation gave the trial a strong BLACK MIRROR vibe.
 

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I know where this is going.
So....

You're right.

Stop pretending to be reasonable and rational, baiting me into .... whatever.

BTW: just curious, but -- what was I "right" about??

that one of those files confirms at least one claim of abuse made by Amber

Details? Salacious details? What was confirmed? And how?

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Saucy! Secrets Of The British Sex Comedy (2024)

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As recommended by @James from London

Written, produced and directed by Simon Sheridan, and based on his book Keeping The British End Up: Four Decades Of Saucy Cinema, this doc narrows the focus from the late-Sixties to the end of the Seventies.

As a British Generation X with an interest in British film of that era it's impossible not to be aware of some of the more mainstream examples (whether it's through experience or osmosis, an awareness of cheeky chappie Robin Askwith baring his bum while surrounded by topless buxom women is just one of those images in my memory). I probably only saw a couple, but the Confessions and Adventures franchises never really captured my attention in the way the much milder Carry On series did. Just a few years ago I watched Keep It Up Downstairs and thought it was dire:
It's basically Upstairs Downstairs meets soft core porn. The plot was dull. The sex scenes were naturally ugly men laying young tarts (there was a lesbian fantasy thrown in here and there. Not that this improved the situation). And - most importantly - it wasn't funny.

I plan to never see another female nipple as long as I live.

The reason for their lack of appeal compared with the tamer films is expanded upon in the documentary: in films like the Carry Ons the comedy comes from sexual frustration, because everyone (or at least all the men and a few of the women) wants a bit but doesn't get it. In sex comedies, everyone is getting it and so it loses the tension, which means there's no interest.

All the same, the genre makes a surprisingly worthwhile study, representing a zeitgeist (several, really): Free love and sexual liberation (themselves said to be a by-product of the pill in the early-Sixties and the partial de-criminalisation of homosexual acts in 1967). Changes to the classification of films. Pornography laws. Variations in cinema attendance, and so on.

Several times, there are comments that "young people wouldn't understand" and "these films would not get made today", and that's very true. There are good reasons for this, but the fact that the films are even more verboten today than they were at the time only adds to the fascination of them as historical pop culture.

James did add the caveat that the documentary was more superficial than it could have been, and I'd agree. Still, I was particularly surprised by some of the female stars of the films who were interviewed, who mostly were nice, articulate, middle class ladies, accomplished in various fields of acting. They spoke pragmatically about their reasons for doing the films, and the degree of agency they had over what they did. The casting couch is acknowledged, with participants talking about being locked in rooms with randy executives or chased around a desk while the perpetrator's wife was just the other side of a curtain doing secretarial duties, but they invariably simply acknowledge that they said no because the part wasn't worth it to them. Françoise Pascal is justly proud of the fact that she chose not to do nudity and yet still got cast.

A big surprise was the involvement of Crossroads co-creator Hazel Adair, who wrote several sex comedies under a male pseudonym. Another soapy connection was present with the inclusion of The Stud (and the similarities between Joan Collins's character and Alexis are mentioned). Joan Collins is not present, but Oliver Tobias describes the sex scenes as just another day at the office.

It was refreshing to hear participants talk about Mary Whitehouse with such balance. It's said that she played a part and her image as the conservative Christian campaigner was as much a creation of the media as it was the real her. They also say she enjoyed the attention (though she was furious about porn magazine Whitehouse being named after her).

The two tragic figures presented here are actor Barry Evans and glamour model/porn star/sex shop owner/call girl/actress Mary Millington. Barry I mostly know from the sitcom Mind Your Language, and we've discussed him a little over in the sitcom thread. Here there's much focus on him being conflicted due to his sexuality, and the contrast between his true self and his womanising Adventures Of A Taxi Driver character. Even though he continued to work and I don't feel his career ended when he turned down further Adventures sequels (as is intimated here), the mystery around his death is certainly baffling. I wasn't familiar with Mary Millington, but her story is certainly colourful and tragic. It's easy to see why she's the subject of several books and documentaries.

Stats are always fun. My favourite titbit here was that in 1976 Adventures Of A Taxi Driver was a bigger hit than Scorsese's Taxi Driver (I'm guessing this applies to British box office, but still...). The three Adventures... films are currently free on Prime, but I'm not sure I have the will to watch, even with the films being a who's who of British entertainment.

One film I am curious about is 1975's Eskimo Nell, with its meta plot about a failed attempt to make an erotic film based on a saucy poem. Not only does also offer a bit of insight into the making of sex comedies - including the concept of making different cuts for different markets - it's a rare genre exception in that it actually looks as though it may be funny. Even the BFI name it the "best place to start" in their handy guide to British smut.







It probably goes without saying there are brief flashes of boobs and bums in the trailer for the documentary.

 

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The two tragic figures presented here are actor Barry Evans and glamour model/porn star/sex shop owner/call girl/actress Mary Millington. Barry I mostly know from the sitcom Mind Your Language, and we've discussed him a little over in the sitcom thread. Here there's much focus on him being conflicted due to his sexuality, and the contrast between his true self and his womanising Adventures Of A Taxi Driver character. Even though he continued to work and I don't feel his career ended when he turned down further Adventures sequels (as is intimated here), the mystery around his death is certainly baffling. I wasn't familiar with Mary Millington, but her story is certainly colourful and tragic. It's easy to see why she's the subject of several books and documentaries.

The Barry Evans section is the part of the doc I have the most reservations about. Although he was presented sympathetically, I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know from skimming sensationalistic tabloid articles back in the day. The "information" about his sexuality and death remain speculative and trying to tie both aspects into the main themes of the documentary, without really knowing the full facts about either, felt a bit tenuous (not to say prurient). Ignoring his huge success on TV with Mind Your Language after he walked away from soft porn seemed to be the only way they could do it. A shame, really. The Mary Millington section felt more relevant and the doc was on firmer ground there. But yeah, fascinating stuff overall.
 
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The Barry Evans section is the part of the doc I have the most reservations about. Although he was presented sympathetically, I didn't learn anything that I didn't already know from skimming sensationalistic tabloid articles back in the day. The "information" about his sexuality and death remain speculative and trying to tie both aspects into the main themes of the documentary, without really knowing the full facts about either, felt a bit tenuous (not to say prurient). Ignoring his huge success on TV with Mind Your Language after he walked away from soft porn seemed to be the only way they could do it. A shame, really.

Yes, I'd share your reservations. I didn't realise his sexuality wasn't confirmed. I suppose I read somewhere that he was gay or bisexual and assumed it to be factual.

I liked him very much in Mind Your Language, which I think remains the only thing in which I've seen him. Based on the fact that I find it surprising to imagine him playing a roué I'd say the series must have been somewhat successful in shaking off his Adventures/Under The Doctor image, but that wouldn't have fitted the narrative as conveniently as the angle that he went from Adventures Of A Taxi Driver to being an actual cabbie.
 
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