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Why did everyone blame JR for Cliff's suicide attempt?
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<blockquote data-quote="CeeCee72" data-source="post: 357923" data-attributes="member: 5055"><p>I recently rewatched the last few episodes of season 5 and the first few episodes of season 6. Much of the plot revolved around JR's manipulation of Cliff, Cliffs suicide attempt, and the reaction of the other characters to both those things.</p><p></p><p>I can't help but to feel the reactions of Rebecca and Ellie were way out of line. Yes, JR "set up" Cliff, but Cliff made the decisions that wrecked his life of his own free will.</p><p></p><p>JR repeatedly warned Cliff to stay away from Sue Ellen. It was Cliff that chose to deepen his involvement with her, really for no other reason than to stick it to JR. </p><p></p><p>And yes, JR used Marilee to manipulate Cliff, but no one (not even JR) FORCED Cliff to embezzle from his mother's company.</p><p></p><p>Rebecca clearly blamed JR and JR alone. I don't get that. I mean, she seems to be pretty forgiving of Sue Ellen, even though it was crystal clear that Sue Ellen didn't really care for Cliff, she was simply using him to upset JR. Rebecca also ignores her own role in Cliff's demise. She is the one who disowned him and turned her back on him after his stealing was revealed. How could she not think that losing her again was a huge reason he tried to end his own life?</p><p></p><p>Ellie's reaction is even more perplexing to me. She's so furious at JR, she kicks him out as president of Ewing Oil. But why was she so shocked? She knew JR had promised Jock that he'd get John Ross back at Southfork. She knew JR needed John Ross home so that he could vote the boy's shares. She knew that JR viewed Sue Ellen as HIS and would never accept her raising him son with anyone else, ESPECIALLY Cliff Barnes. She knew JR was trying to win Sue Ellen back - she encouraged JR to make up with Sue Ellen, even though she KNEW Sue Ellen was also involved with Cliff.</p><p></p><p>So, I don't get it. Yeah. JR plotted to break Cliff, but it was Cliff's OWN actions that led to his downfall. So why is everyone blaming JR and making Cliff (the man who lied, cheated, embezzled, and used the people he supposedly loved) poor, innocent martyr while treating JR like the most evil man on the planet?</p><p></p><p>From my perspective, JR was simply doing what he always did - fighting for what he believed was his by right and Cliff was the victim of his own bad decisions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CeeCee72, post: 357923, member: 5055"] I recently rewatched the last few episodes of season 5 and the first few episodes of season 6. Much of the plot revolved around JR's manipulation of Cliff, Cliffs suicide attempt, and the reaction of the other characters to both those things. I can't help but to feel the reactions of Rebecca and Ellie were way out of line. Yes, JR "set up" Cliff, but Cliff made the decisions that wrecked his life of his own free will. JR repeatedly warned Cliff to stay away from Sue Ellen. It was Cliff that chose to deepen his involvement with her, really for no other reason than to stick it to JR. And yes, JR used Marilee to manipulate Cliff, but no one (not even JR) FORCED Cliff to embezzle from his mother's company. Rebecca clearly blamed JR and JR alone. I don't get that. I mean, she seems to be pretty forgiving of Sue Ellen, even though it was crystal clear that Sue Ellen didn't really care for Cliff, she was simply using him to upset JR. Rebecca also ignores her own role in Cliff's demise. She is the one who disowned him and turned her back on him after his stealing was revealed. How could she not think that losing her again was a huge reason he tried to end his own life? Ellie's reaction is even more perplexing to me. She's so furious at JR, she kicks him out as president of Ewing Oil. But why was she so shocked? She knew JR had promised Jock that he'd get John Ross back at Southfork. She knew JR needed John Ross home so that he could vote the boy's shares. She knew that JR viewed Sue Ellen as HIS and would never accept her raising him son with anyone else, ESPECIALLY Cliff Barnes. She knew JR was trying to win Sue Ellen back - she encouraged JR to make up with Sue Ellen, even though she KNEW Sue Ellen was also involved with Cliff. So, I don't get it. Yeah. JR plotted to break Cliff, but it was Cliff's OWN actions that led to his downfall. So why is everyone blaming JR and making Cliff (the man who lied, cheated, embezzled, and used the people he supposedly loved) poor, innocent martyr while treating JR like the most evil man on the planet? From my perspective, JR was simply doing what he always did - fighting for what he believed was his by right and Cliff was the victim of his own bad decisions. [/QUOTE]
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