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How long should our lists be?

  • A Top 5

    Votes: 7 58.3%
  • A Top 7

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A Top 10

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .

Richard Channing

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Ok, here we go. This is gonna be a tough one. I'm already having anxiety about how to go about this (the battle itself and my own list). At first I thought a top 5 won't be enough so maybe we should do a top 10, but then I thought a top 10 might be too many with twice as many hard choices to make. Then I thought perhaps we should do a top 7. Anyway, I can't decide so I'm gonna put up a poll for 24 hours and we can all decide together. The first of many agonizing decisions that lie ahead!

But I am really looking forward to seeing people's lists and also finding out what our best ever season of soap turns out to be.

Here's a beautiful and poignant piece of art that has nothing to do with seasons of a TV show but I thought I'd share it anyway.

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I voted a top ten considering that most of our favorite soaps have more than 10 seasons. So it will be impossible to narrow it down to just five.

Of course we could do what we did on the Dallas top ten for the favorite characters scenes and do one soap at the time and then vote from the winners which our favorite season is...
 

Mel O'Drama

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Ok, here we go. This is gonna be a tough one.

Oh my. Isn't it just? But great fun too.


Dallas seasons will be as per DVD.

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I have voted for a top 5 just because I like to challenge myself but I'd love to do a top 10 if that gets the most votes.

This. But in reverse.


Of course we could do what we did on the Dallas top ten for the favorite characters scenes and do one soap at the time and then vote from the winners which our favorite season is...

That sounds like a huuuuuuuge undertaking for RC and Willie... but I find this idea very appealing indeed.
 

Angela Channing

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I believe something like this has been planned for the World Cups....and we don't want to undermine the competition:D

Don't worry about undermining the World Cups. In the World Cup, characters or events are pitched against each other in a straight one on one fight so outcomes will be very different to a Top 5 or Top 10. For example, JR will always feature highly in any character Top 10 but was knocked out in the first round of the World Cup of Dallas Characters.
 

Angela Channing

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I voted for a Top 5. Don't change the format that has worked so well up to now just because there are so many options. It's good to make participants decisive and just pick their favourite 5.
 

Willie Oleson

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Don't change the format that has worked so well up to now just because there are so many options
In order to crown a winner we must have some matching votes, it can't be done if all votes are unique choices.
So I'd definitely consider a top 10 for favourite episode cliffhangers (excluding the season finales, of course) because there are 1000+ episodes to choose from.
But I don't think that will be the case with the seasons. Nevertheless, it will be Richard's decision and we must obey to his rules. Because the alternative is chaos, and that's not what we want.
 

Angela Channing

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In order to crown a winner we must have some matching votes, it can't be done if all votes are unique choices.
So I'd definitely consider a top 10 for favourite episode cliffhangers (excluding the season finales, of course) because there are 1000+ episodes to choose from.

You make a very good point but it could work either way.

The more options people have could mean a wider spread of votes across those choices. So for your example of favourite episode cliffhangers, it could mean a lot of votes spread widely over those 1000+ episodes making it harder to come up with a winner. However, if people are limited to having fewer votes, there is a greater chance of those votes being concentrated around a smaller number of the more outstanding and memorable cliffhangers.
 

Richard Channing

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So, a top 5 it is then. But I'd encourage anyone who wants to post 10 to do so. Only the top 5 will be counted but I'm sure other members would be curious to see more, and speaking personally, I'd feel better not leaving out a few seasons of shows that really deserve a mention even if they didn't make my top 5.
 

Willie Oleson

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before the inevitable confusion ensues Dallas seasons
Aah, but how about the numbering for the new Dallas seasons? You can't have two Dallas season 1s, two Dallas season 2s and two Dallas season 3s.
Technically speaking, these are seasons 15, 16 and 17.

Sorry I don't mean to cause any trouble.
 

Richard Channing

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Aah, but how about the numbering for the new Dallas seasons? You can't have two Dallas season 1s, two Dallas season 2s and two Dallas season 3s.
Technically speaking, these are seasons 15, 16 and 17.

Sorry I don't mean to cause any trouble.
Including the three letters TNT should avert this looming catastrophe. Phew!
 

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1. DYNASTY Season 1
Because it combines poignant drama with sophisticated soap, like The Godfather meets Dallas.
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2. DYNASTY Season 2
It's not the "novel" style of season 1, the various sub-plots give it the structure of a "traditional" soap opera - but it still feels like a chapter, and most of it is spot on.

3. FALCON CREST Season 2
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This season is still very much about the land and the grapes, but the addition of Richard Channing (and Jacqueline's sordid past) proved a winning combination.

4. TNT DALLAS Season 3
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Greedy, dirty, exciting, sizzling hot...it had everything I wanted from a modern Texan soap. And there was even more "J.R." in it then in the previous seasons.

5. THE COLBYS Season 1
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I think KNOTS LANDING was the better spin-off because it was so different from the DALLAS universe, and apart from that it was simply a better soap.
But the combination of excellent casting, opulence and juicy, old-fashioned melodrama makes THE COLBYS S1 one of the most re-watchable seasons for me.
It really shouldn't have been this good, but it was.
 

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1.
Dynasty: Season One

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Filmed with autumnal, natural richness of cinematic proportions. Opulent and lavish but balanced with an undercurrent of darkness and brutality. The writing throws out the sharpest zingers one minute and breaks your heart the next, and the structure of the season is perfect, taking its time and building to a satisfyingly intense finale. All the usuals are here: infidelity; betrayal; blackmail; rape; an epic trial. All held together by a series of intricate threads that weave together as the season plods along and then fray and unravel in slow motion as we reach the finale. Dynasty as a whole is a curate’s egg. Season One is the delicious yolk into which you’ll want to repeatedly dip your buttered soldier.





2.
Knots Landing: Season Six

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Prioritising the Knots seasons is not an easy task. Any from Seasons Four to Six feel like obvious choices. A bit too obvious, perhaps. But I have to vote honestly and the fact is they’re well-remembered for good reasons. The excesses of the mid-Eighties gave us the best and the worst of Soapland. Much of the worst came from the sheer number of episodes that were produced. Twenty two episode seasons were stretched out to thirty plus in a cynical moneymaking move, resulting in dilution, filler and fatigue. Season Six is one of the few that took advantage of the extra time to build on character and to make their storytelling more expansive than ever. Season Five was in many ways the most flawless season, and certainly the most confident. But the pace of events was incredibly quick. By the S5 finale a new viewer - and many existing ones - would need a programme in order to keep up. Season Six is as ballsy and eventful as its predecessor - perhaps more so. But the extra four hours or so give breathing space, making it feel a little softer at the edges and recapturing the character-driven sensibilities of earlier seasons. It’s for this reason that I can happily get past terminally ill Karen’s mid-season miracle.

In Season Six, fragmented pieces of the puzzle played out seemingly in isolation at times: from cul de sac to Empire Valley to Shula, Tennessee. It’s only when the viewer takes a step back and sees the big picture that the craftsmanship can truly be appreciated. “Val’s Babies” is perhaps the best-known Knots story. It seems to have been referenced a lot by casual Knots fans (along with Gary and Abby’s affair and Ciji). But what’s most telling about the genius of the writing is just how many threads that “single” story involved over the course of the season, beginning as a very conventional soap illegitimacy storyline but going on to tread ground that would have been unthinkable up to that point. Even more remarkably, Knots broke ground by throwing more and more soap tropes into the mix: miscarriage; kidnapping; collusion; breakdowns; multiple personalities; shrinks; detective work; more kidnapping; even an amnesiac bride for crying out loud. And it got away with it one hundred and ten percent because everyone - viewers, writers and actors - were completely invested in characters that had been crafted from the inside out over half a decade and more than a hundred episodes.





3.
Knots Landing: Season Three

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Having previously commented that Season Five is perhaps the most flawless season, you may well boggle at this choice. I am a little. But Season Three - for all its patchiness, poor ratings and almost cancellation* - is as exciting, innovative, emotional and dark as Knots got. And for that it deserves proper respect.

Without Season Three would the more celebrated and mainstream seasons have been so twisty and unpredictable? It’s a bit like asking if early EastEnders would be so gritty had Brookside not paved the way.

For a start, it had one of the strongest openings to any soap season. The “resolution” to Season Two’s finale in the first couple of episodes was as brave and shocking as any. It’s all relative, of course, but the wrap up to every future cliffhanger would play it safe by comparison. Any power that later season finales had (in all shows) came from the ghost of Saint Sid hanging over them, planting the suggestion that the powers that be may just decide to surprise us again by going dark (and to be fair, Dynasty would pull a similar stunt with fairly major characters over the following two new seasons - albeit with far less impact than Knots). The resonance of Sid’s death and the ensuing grief gave Knots some of its all-time strongest moments as it was revisited throughout the season (Letting Go features one of the most powerful combinations of music and visual ever put on screen. Michele Lee not getting the Emmy for this scene is a poor show. But for the music to not even be nominated is beyond criminal). The grieving process, as it turned out, also yielded some nice lighthearted moments. “Bert in a dixie cup”, anyone?

Then there were those latter episodes: Gary and Abby’s torrid, steamy affair counterbalanced by the moody, atmospheric thunderstorms that showed us new facets of the otherwise sunny cul de sac. The betrayal, secrecy and salaciousness took Knots to new heights of soapy greatness - especially when things got blown wide open.

The risks taken this year are just mind-blowing. Where else would you see a lead character holding his pregnant wife at gunpoint before putting the gun to his temple and pulling the trigger. And from this, Richard emerged an even more tragic and sympathetic character.

And then there’s the bit in the middle: haunted houses; fashion shows; silent movie stars; Crickets. These episodes take quite a knocking but the more I’ve watched and reflected on the “experimental” episodes, the more I applaud everyone involved for their audacity. The series is still somewhat episodic at this point and Season Three feels at times like a primal response to this: a rebellion that comes from highly creative individuals frustrated by the need to tell a different story that’s more or less wrapped up each week. The traditional episodic approach (as in early Dallas) is to tell the same story from a slightly different perspective each week. Season Three of Knots turns this on its head and dares to tell a dramatically different story each week through the prism of characters whose responses we know to come from their truth. Valene and Lilimae’s interactions in The Three Sisters are as poignant and fragile as those already seen in Season One’s Will The Circle... While Val/Lilimae scenes still to come, such as Season Six’s Rough Edges, are more meaningful because of what’s shared between them here. Likewise, Silver Shadows flies because Abby’s responses to the situation ring true with, and even build on, all we know about her.

We could skip these episodes and the story would still make sense. But we’d then miss vital information about Knots’s raison d’être: character.

On the face of it, a lot that went down in Season Three feels like the writers taking huge gambles because they have nothing to lose (or don’t give a crap - take your pick). But scratching the surface it seems like they knew exactly where they wanted to take us. And all they asked in return was the viewer’s trust and open-mindedness.



* Knots actually did get pulled off the air in the UK during the latter part of Season Three. It would return several years later but would never see prime time again. Somehow, the fact that Season Three began here in 1983 and ended in 1987 endears it to me even more.




4.
Dallas: Season “Three”

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Dusty Farlow’s arrival, departure, return and “death”. Ellie’s mastectomy. Southfork getting mortgaged. Gary and Val’s remarriage (leading to Knots Landing). Donna threatening to destroy JR. Jock’s trial. Jenna’s return. Kristin stirring the pot. Sue Ellen and JR’s divorce. Digger's death. Pam's paternity bombshell.

Oh - and JR getting shot.







5.
Dynasty: Season Two

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A change in tone. Joan Collins as Alexis had arrived, for better or worse, and she was impossible to ignore. Her first season gave the show a great new energy as well as sharp, memorable lines and a sense of fun. Her initial scenes with all the series regulars crackle with an exciting new electricity and she’s never been more of a threat to the status quo as here. Seeing the two Mrs. Carringtons stand off was never so enjoyable. Based on this season it’s easy to see why Joan Collins was held in such high regard. Alexis’s claws here are real and her promises far from idle. She’s damned dangerous and it’s a treat to see people discovering (and rediscovering) this.
 

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A few more favourites...




6.
Knots Landing: Season Four

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The great crowd-pleaser. A recognisable, likeable cast (of the originals just one had left by this point, but there had been some significant additions to complement the existing crowd. S4 newcomers Mack, Ciji, Chip and Janet Baines all fitted well and kept things green). The series was still based primarily in the cul de sac, and the tentative broadening of the canvas (Gary and Abby’s beach house; Daniel) was gentle and organic. The storylines were simple enough to keep up with but with enough emotional complexity to give a rewarding experience.

Continuing to explore and defy genres, Knots explored some more, dabbling in the worlds of pop music, nouvelle cuisine and homicide investigation (Richard even had a brief encounter with the world of midwifery). Above all, this is the year that took the disparate ensemble and plonked them all together so that they were sharing not just space but also storylines. The murder-mystery in which the vast majority of the cast were suspects was so well plotted it truly captivated.




7.
Knots Landing: Season Five

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It’s Season Four.

But richer.

And with added impalements, politics, doppelgängers, organised crime, shootings, fake news and Escandine.

How could you not?




8.
Dynasty: Season Nine

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Gothic, mysterious and shadowy in all the right places. And with a touch of Sable!




9.
Knots Landing: Season One

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Leading with strength, Knots makes us like these characters and then has awful things happening to them, one after another.




10.
Dallas: Season “Six”

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Jock’s will. Ellie reading the letter in court. JR and Sue Ellen’s wedding. Mickey and Lucy’s love/hate relationship. Sue Ellen’s dramatic re-re-relapse.
 

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Dynasty: Season One

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Filmed with autumnal, natural richness of cinematic proportions. Opulent and lavish but balanced with an undercurrent of darkness and brutality. The writing throws out the sharpest one liners and breaks your heart the next, and the structure of the season is perfect, taking its time and building to a satisfyingly intense finale. All the usuals are here: infidelity; betrayal; blackmail; rape; an epic trial. All held together by a series of intricate threads that weave together as the season plods along and then fray and unravel in slow motion as we reach the finale. Dynasty as a whole is a curate’s egg. Season One is the delicious yolk into which you’ll want to repeatedly dip your buttered soldier.





2.
Knots Landing: Season Six

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Prioritising the Knots seasons is not an easy task. Any from Season Four to Six feel like obvious choices. A bit too obvious, perhaps. But I have to vote honestly and the fact is they’re well-remembered for good reasons. The excesses of the mid-Eighties gave us the best and the worst of Soapland. Much of the worst came from the sheer number of episodes that were produced. Twenty two episode seasons were stretched out to thirty plus in a cynical moneymaking move, resulting in dilution, filler and fatigue. Season Six is one of the few that took advantage of the extra time to build on character and to make their storytelling more expansive than ever. Season Five was in many ways the most flawless season, and certainly the most confident. But the pace of events was incredibly quick. By the S5 finale a new viewer - and many existing ones - would need a programme in order to keep up. Season Six is as ballsy and eventful as its predecessor - perhaps more so. But the extra four hours or so give breathing space, making it feel a little softer at the edges and recapturing the character-driven sensibilities of earlier seasons. It’s for this reason that I can happily get past terminally ill Karen’s mid-season miracle.

In Season Six, fragmented pieces of the puzzle played out seemingly in isolation at times: from cul de sac to Empire Valley to Shula, Tennessee. It’s only when the viewer takes a step back and sees the big picture that the craftsmanship can truly be appreciated. “Val’s Babies” is perhaps the best-known Knots story. It seems to have been referenced a lot by casual Knots fans (along with Gary and Abby’s affair and Ciji). But what’s most telling about the genius of the writing is just how many threads that “single” story involved over the course of the season, beginning as a very conventional soap illegitimacy storyline but going on to tread ground that would have been unthinkable up to that point. Even more remarkably, Knots broke ground by throwing more and more soap tropes into the mix: miscarriage; kidnapping; collusion; breakdowns; multiple personalities; shrinks; detective work; more kidnapping; even an amnesiac bride for crying out loud. And it got away with it one hundred and ten percent because everyone - viewers, writers and actors - were completely invested in characters that had been crafted from the inside out over half a decade and more than a hundred episodes.





3.
Knots Landing: Season Three

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Having previously commented that Season Five is perhaps the most flawless season, you may well boggle at this choice. I am a little. But Season Three - for all its patchiness, poor ratings and almost cancellation* - is as exciting, innovative, emotional and dark as Knots got. And for that it deserves proper respect.

Without Season Three would the more celebrated and mainstream seasons have been so twisty and unpredictable? It’s a bit like asking if early EastEnders would be so gritty had Brookside not paved the way.

For a start, it had one of the strongest openings to any soap season. The “resolution” to Season Two’s finale in the first couple of episodes was as brave and shocking as any. It’s all relative, of course, but the wrap up to every future cliffhanger would play it safe by comparison. Any power that later season finales had (in all shows) came from the ghost of Saint Sid hanging over them, planting the suggestion that the powers that be may just decide to surprise us again by going dark (and to be fair, Dynasty would pull a similar stunt with fairly major characters over the following two new seasons - albeit with far less impact than Knots). The resonance of Sid’s death and the ensuing grief gave Knots some of its all-time strongest moments as it was revisited throughout the season (Letting Go features one of the most powerful combinations of music and visual ever put on screen. Michele Lee not getting the Emmy for this scene is a poor show. But for the music to not even be nominated is beyond criminal). The grieving process, as it turned out, also yielded some nice lighthearted moments. “Bert in a dixie cup”, anyone?

Then there were those latter episodes: Gary and Abby’s torrid, steamy affair counterbalanced by the moody, atmospheric thunderstorms that showed us new facets of the otherwise sunny cul de sac. The betrayal, secrecy and salaciousness took Knots to new heights of soapy greatness - especially when things got blown wide open.

The risks taken this year are just mind-blowing. Where else would you see a lead character holding his pregnant wife at gunpoint before putting the gun to his temple and pulling the trigger. And from this, Richard emerged an even more tragic and sympathetic character.

And then there’s the bit in the middle: haunted houses; fashion shows; silent movie stars; Crickets. These episodes take quite a knocking but the more I’ve watched the more “experimental” episodes, the more I applaud everyone involved for their audacity. The series is still somewhat episodic at this point. Season Three feels at times like a rebellion coming from highly creative individuals working with the frustration of needing to tell a different story that’s more or less wrapped up each week. The traditional episodic approach (as in early Dallas) is to tell the same story from a slightly different perspective each week. Season Three of Knots turns this on its head and dares to tell a dramatically different story each week through the prism of characters whose responses we know to come from their truth. Valene and Lilimae’s interactions in The Three Sisters are as poignant and fragile as those already seen in Season One’s Will The Circle... And those still to come, such as Season Six’s Rough Edges, are more meaningful because of what’s shared between them here. Likewise, Silver Shadows flies because Abby’s responses to the situation ring true with, and even build on, all we know about her.

We could skip these episodes and the story would still make sense. But we’d then miss vital information about Knots’s raison d’être: character.

On the face of it, a lot that went down in Season Three feels like the writers taking huge gambles because they have nothing to lose (or don’t give a crap - take your pick). But scratching the surface it seems like they knew exactly where they wanted to take us. And all they asked in return was the viewer’s trust and open-mindedness.



* Knots actually did get pulled off the air in the UK during the latter part of Season Three. It would return several years later but would never see prime time again. Somehow, the fact that Season Three began in 1983 and ended in 1987 endears it to me even more.




4.
Dallas: Season “Three”

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Dusty Farlow’s arrival, departure, return and “death”. Ellie’s mastectomy. Southfork getting mortgaged. Gary and Val’s remarriage (leading to Knots Landing). Donna threatening to destroy JR. Jock’s trial. Jenna’s return. Kristin stirring the pot. Sue Ellen and JR’s divorce.

Oh - and JR getting shot.





5.
Knots Landing: Season Four

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The great crowd-pleaser. A recognisable, likeable cast (of the originals just one had left by this point, but there had been some significant additions to complement the existing crowd. S4 newcomers Mack, Ciji, Chip and Janet Baines all fitted well and kept things green). The series was still based primarily in the cul de sac, and the tentative broadening of the canvas (Gary and Abby’s beach house; Daniel) was gentle and organic. The storylines were simple enough to keep up with but with enough emotional complexity to give a rewarding experience.

Continuing to explore and defy genres, Knots explored some more, dabbling in the worlds of pop music, nouvelle cuisine and homicide investigation (Richard even had a brief encounter with the world of midwifery). Above all, this is the year that took the disparate ensemble and plonked them all together so that they were sharing not just space but also storylines. The murder-mystery in which the vast majority of the cast were suspects was so well plotted it truly captivated.

Amazing reviews/summaries of those seasons Mel. Such an enjoyable read and you've made me want to go and watch season 1 of Dynasty and season 3 of Knots again immediately!!

Her initial scenes with all the series regulars crackle with an exciting new electricity

Yes! Yes! Yes! Dynasty's season 2 is in my top 5 and I've been trying to think how to express exactly that and you've done it perfectly.
 
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Amazing reviews/summaries of those seasons Mel. Such an enjoyable read and you've made me want to go an watch season 1 of Dynasty and season 3 of Knots again immediately!!

Kind words, RC. I'm looking forward to seeing your choices.


Yes! Yes! Yes! Dynasty's season 2 is in my top 5

Well, I was on the fence, but thanks to your enthusiasm it's now been upgraded to my Top 5 also.

I feel bad for Knots Season Four. But if love must go...
 
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