The US 2016 Election Thread

SueEllenRules!

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Gotta love how "high" Hill has to go to distract voters from what she believes, says, and does.
I double dog dare Trump to "sink" to the same level and make a similar ad about just that, using nothing but her own words.
 

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How about a bet on it??

Loser never posts here again

You too ANGELACHANNING

Same here..

You jackanapes are so convinced we are the same person it should be a sucker bet..
 

SueEllenRules!

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Angelavand SER, Run in circles like an organ grinder's monkey..
Says the guy who's almost certainly posting under at least 2 different usernames. How do you do it anyway? Use 2 different devices from the same location? Or logging in and out of both accounts from the same device? Either way, it's got to be a lot of work keeping track of who you're supposed to be at any given time! Kind of like the restaurant scene in Mrs. Doubtfire.
 

SueEllenRules!

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OH NO!!!!
NOT THAT!!
I AM SO SCARED!!

pffffftff. "get a life"..

Yes.. By all means.. Check our IP addresses..

Oh no tomparks.. We are in trouble now.

Lets start a thread about it..
Bring it. It certainly wouldn't be the first time you've done it. At least one site administrator has actually verified more than once your past history of it.
 

SueEllenRules!

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Libertarian VP nominee: 'I'm here vouching for Mrs. Clinton'

(CNN) -- Libertarian vice presidential nominee Bill Weld defended Hillary Clinton Tuesday night, acknowledging an explicit split with his running mate Gary Johnson.
  • Weld, in an interview with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, said he disagreed with FBI Director James Comey's decision to announce publicly the agency was looking into more Clinton emails just days before the election and defended the Democratic presidential nominee whom he has known for decades.
  • "I'm here vouching for Mrs. Clinton, and I think it's high time somebody did," Weld said.
  • Asked about a campaign press release sent in the wake of the FBI announcement that was critical of Clinton, Weld said: "Gary and I have not agreed on a number of substantive issues in this campaign ... I do not agree with that release."
  • The former Massachusetts governor and Justice Department official has split deeply with Johnson in reaction to the news, and Tuesday's interview was perhaps the most overt acknowledgment of that split.
  • The interview also contained a concession from Weld that their third party bid was likely to not end in victory "in the real world."
  • He said he believed the Libertarian Party had a chance of victory at the outset of the race, but "not getting in the debates really foreclosed that option."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...l-weld-rachel-maddow/index.html?client=safari
 

Frank Underwood

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Yes, and look at the type of woman Republicans can get behind: unintelligent, uninformed, unqualified, incapable, unaccomplished, and incompetent. In other words, everything Hillary Clinton clearly is not. Sometimes a video speaks a thousands words:

You'll get no argument out of me on that. I was a vocal critic of Sarah Palin during the 2008 election. Still, the Republican base rallied around her more than McCain. Hillary was never going to win them over anyway, so who are the men that feel intimidated by her intelligence and political experience? Progressives? Moderates? And I suppose none of it has to do with her political record or the questionable actions she's taken.

I doubt Obama made that statement as a broad generalization, but if you think that sexism in America isn't alive and well, Trump's rhetoric in that Access Hollywood tape is living proof. As well as the fact that women are far more offended by it than men (as evidenced by the severe gender gap among Trump supporters).
I'm not disputing that sexism is alive, I'm disputing the idea that a man who doesn't support Hillary is automatically sexist. I can tell you first hand that it's possible to not support Hillary or Trump.

Yes, that people are often their own worst enemies. Not necessarily because they don't support Hillary, but because some of them still fervently support a man who clearly demeans women, and, in fact, treats them with utter disrespect and contempt.
Those are just a few of the reasons I could never vote for him, but some women don't seem bothered by it. Even so, there are women who plan on voting for third party candidates too.

Well, that's you. Sadly, there's no lack of men who are intimidated by capable women.
And Obama's never going to convince them to vote for a woman. However, I still don't believe that's the primary reason why male voters wouldn't vote for her.

While I certainly wouldn't dismiss those credentials if she were being considered for Surgeon General, how does her resume make her more qualified for president than the resume of a Yale educated attorney, U.S. Senator, and Secretary of State?
When it comes to political experience, Hillary Clinton has Jill Stein beat because Stein has never held public office. However, policy positions, judgement, and decision making skills are also factors that I consider.

That's what separates adults from children: the maturity to resist making Apocalyptic decisions purely on impulse. :cool1
I'm not making an Apocalyptic decision because I'm not voting for Trump. My vote for Jill Stein is simply that. Trump isn't likely to win, but if he does, the Hillary campaign is party responsible. They pushed to have the press build him up in the media because they believed Hillary would look better in comparison. And while she does in some respects, people have grown weary of her policy record and questionable decision making.
 

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If Hillary Clinton does win, we're going to need people in Congress like Sanders to hold her accountable. Just because he used his leverage to make her support several of his policy positions doesn't mean she will actually do so once in office. I knew Bernie's endorsement of Hillary was a pragmatic choice on his part, and I'm confident he won't stay quiet if she doesn't hold up her end of the bargain. He will be the transparency we need.
 

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Libertarians don't agree on everything either. Imagine that! lol

He's right that not getting in the debates greatly hurts the chances of third parties. However, the more I see Gary Johnson speak, the more I realize how uninformed and temperamental he is. That said, I believe if you're on the ballot in enough states to potentially win the election, you should be allowed in the debates.
 

SueEllenRules!

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There is the court of public opinion which is why we have message boards like this.. AND SHE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION..
Yes, and, according to you, the investigation isn't over. Yet, you already have her indicted, tried, convicted, and measured for her prison jumpsuit. Despite the fact that the year-long investigation of her emails already conducted found that she broke no laws.

You have Trump guilty of nonexistent crimes be isnt even being investigated for..
Newsweek has him guilty, not me. Let him sue them for libel. If he can. As for crimes he is being investigated for, perhaps the fraud allegations at Trump University ring a bell.

Hey, you have the black rapist Bill Cosby guilty,
Why are you trying to bring race into this? As if I'm motivated to believe the allegations against Cosby because he's black. Here's a helpful hint: you're not going to persuade black voters over to Trump with this or any other lame tactic.

while the white rapist Bill Clinton never looked crosseyed at a girl.
I don't have Cosby guilty of anything. I'm perfectly content to let a court of law make that determination. You, on the other hand, have referred to Bill Clinton as 'the rapist' for years now. A proclamation you curiously fail to apply to Trump, despite the fact that at least 15 women to date have accused him of sexual assault and harassment and he actually admitted on tape to behavior consistent with that he's being accused of.

Frankly, I do believe the bulk of the allegations against both Cosby and Trump, but I've never once referred to either of them as 'the rapist.' You, however, operate under the most hypocritical and incendiary double standard.

O.J. Simpson should sue anybody that calls him a murderer for slander.
Simpson was found unanimously liable for wrongful death in a civil suit, which is far more than you can say about Hillary Clinton. And I suspect that you'd still rather see O.J. go free.

Oh yes .. The guy who had to play ball with corrupt politicians..
Who better to play ball with corrupt politicians than the guy who bribed the Florida attorney general?

Trump dismisses questions about improper gift to Florida attorney general
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?client=safari
 

SueEllenRules!

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You'll get no argument out of me on that. I was a vocal critic of Sarah Palin during the 2008 election. Still, the Republican base rallied around her more than McCain. Hillary was never going to win them over anyway, so who are the men that feel intimidated by her intelligence and political experience? Progressives? Moderates?
You don't think progressives and moderates are capable of being intimidated by a highly successful woman?

And I suppose none of it has to do with her political record or the questionable actions she's taken.
I suppose none of it has to do with her success or gender either.

I'm not disputing that sexism is alive, I'm disputing the idea that a man who doesn't support Hillary is automatically sexist.
I didn't say that he necessarily was, but he certainly might be.

I can tell you first hand that it's possible to not support Hillary or Trump.
It's also possible that a lot of Trump's appeal over Hillary is motivated by sexism.

Those are just a few of the reasons I could never vote for him, but some women don't seem bothered by it.
Which is possibly even more disturbing. Fortunately, I think the women who still plan to vote for Trump regardless of his attitude toward them are largely limited to the brain broke and batsh!t crazy:


And Obama's never going to convince them to vote for a woman. However, I still don't believe that's the primary reason why male voters wouldn't vote for her.
You may actually have a good point here, but then again, maybe not. After doing some research, I discovered that men are doing in this election what they typically do in most elections: voting Republican in numbers consistent with previous elections. It's women who will win this election for Clinton because a historically overwhelming share of them support her due to Trump's misogynistic rhetoric, the sexual assault allegations against him, etc. I do find it interesting, however, that men aren't similarly offended by Trump's sexism. If they were, you would think that his support among men would have declined in a similar fashion as it did among women. Instead, it remained rock steady.

Men Are Treating 2016 As A ‘Normal’ Election; Women Aren’t
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/men-are-treating-2016-as-a-normal-election-women-arent/

When it comes to political experience, Hillary Clinton has Jill Stein beat because Stein has never held public office. However, policy positions, judgement, and decision making skills are also factors that I consider.
But if Stein's never held public office, how do you know anything about her judgment and decision making skills?

I'm not making an Apocalyptic decision because I'm not voting for Trump.
True, but those who do vote for Trump on juvenile impulse, or for any reason to be honest, are certainly making an Apocalyptic decision. I'm actually frightened and appalled at the sheer number who will do exactly that without a second thought.

Trump isn't likely to win, but if he does, the Hillary campaign is party responsible.
Isn't she always to blame for something? Or everything if you listen to Trump.

They pushed to have the press build him up in the media because they believed Hillary would look better in comparison.
An orangutan's ass would look better in comparison. [cue McGarrett and/or company to compare Hillary to an orangutan's ass]

And while she does in some respects, people have grown weary of her policy record and questionable decision making.
Time will tell in 5 short days.
 

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Libertarians don't agree on everything either. Imagine that! lol

He's right that not getting in the debates greatly hurts the chances of third parties. However, the more I see Gary Johnson speak, the more I realize how uninformed and temperamental he is. That said, I believe if you're on the ballot in enough states to potentially win the election, you should be allowed in the debates.
It would have been interesting to see them wither on the stage like the other 16 lightweights he took out in the Republican primary. lol It would have made it even clearer: sometimes it takes a 'nasty woman' to take out the schoolyard bully. :cool1
 

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McGarrett and Tom Parks are obviously not the same poster: TomParks actually believes the things he says, and McGarrett knows better.

There's no reason to assert that they're the same person.
 

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Libertarian VP nominee: 'I'm here vouching for Mrs. Clinton'

(CNN) -- Libertarian vice presidential nominee Bill Weld defended Hillary Clinton Tuesday night, acknowledging an explicit split with his running mate Gary Johnson.
  • Weld, in an interview with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, said he disagreed with FBI Director James Comey's decision to announce publicly the agency was looking into more Clinton emails just days before the election and defended the Democratic presidential nominee whom he has known for decades.
  • "I'm here vouching for Mrs. Clinton, and I think it's high time somebody did," Weld said.
  • Asked about a campaign press release sent in the wake of the FBI announcement that was critical of Clinton, Weld said: "Gary and I have not agreed on a number of substantive issues in this campaign ... I do not agree with that release."
  • The former Massachusetts governor and Justice Department official has split deeply with Johnson in reaction to the news, and Tuesday's interview was perhaps the most overt acknowledgment of that split.
  • The interview also contained a concession from Weld that their third party bid was likely to not end in victory "in the real world."
  • He said he believed the Libertarian Party had a chance of victory at the outset of the race, but "not getting in the debates really foreclosed that option."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...l-weld-rachel-maddow/index.html?client=safari

Weld was not that good of a governor, so voters should take anything that he says with a grain of salt.
 

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It would have been interesting to see them wither on the stage like the other 16 lightweights he took out in the Republican primary. lol It would have made it even clearer: sometimes it takes a 'nasty woman' to take out the schoolyard bully. :cool1

And "sometimes" deplorable voters have "to take out" the "nasty woman" criminal who has corrupted both the State and Justice departments.
 

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You don't think progressives and moderates are capable of being intimidated by a highly successful woman?
It's possible, but doesn't seem as likely.

I suppose none of it has to do with her success or gender either.
A little perhaps, but I have a hard time believing that's as true now as it was 50 years ago. If people were comfortable enough to elect a black man twice, why would they be less comfortable electing a woman?

It's also possible that a lot of Trump's appeal over Hillary is motivated by sexism.
Even if I were to concede that many Trump supporters are sexist, would the odds of them supporting a male Democrat have increased? I don't think "Crazy Bernie" would appeal to them anymore than "Crooked Hillary."

Unless it's the Independent male voters who are allegedly sexist.

Which is possibly even more disturbing. Fortunately, I think the women who still plan to vote for Trump regardless of his attitude toward them are largely limited to the brain broke and batsh!t crazy:

And that's not in short supply in the Republican Party.

You may actually have a good point here, but then again, maybe not. After doing some research, I discovered that men are doing in this election what they typically do in most elections: voting Republican in numbers consistent with previous elections. It's women who will win this election for Clinton because a historically overwhelming share of them support her due to Trump's misogynistic rhetoric, the sexual assault allegations against him, etc. I do find it interesting, however, that men aren't similarly offended by Trump's sexism. If they were, you would think that his support among men would have declined in a similar fashion as it did among women. Instead, it remained rock steady.

Men Are Treating 2016 As A ‘Normal’ Election; Women Aren’t
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/men-are-treating-2016-as-a-normal-election-women-arent/
If we're talking specifically about men who are voting for Trump, the sexism angle becomes more plausible. However, doesn't that go without saying? That's why I felt Obama was speaking to men outside of the Trump bubble. With all of the talking heads griping about millennials threatening to vote third party, I assumed he was referring to them. That's why I took it more as a criticism of progressives and moderates.

But if Stein's never held public office, how do you know anything about her judgment and decision making skills?
I don't. Outside of agreeing with most of her policy positions, I don't know how she would actually perform as president. However, I have a good idea how an establishment candidate like Hillary would perform. She would likely do the bidding of anybody willing to pay her money and would consult opinion polls when making decisions involving foreign policy and social policy.

True, but those who do vote for Trump on juvenile impulse, or for any reason to be honest, are certainly making an Apocalyptic decision. I'm actually frightened and appalled at the sheer number who will do exactly that without a second thought.
That's life in a democracy for you.

Isn't she always to blame for something? Or everything if you listen to Trump.
Not always, but in this case, yes. Or at least the DNC is. They purposely wanted the media to elevate Trump in order to help Hillary.

Time will tell in 5 short days.
I'm not saying she isn't the front runner in this election. I'm just saying that not everybody is enthralled with her, and for good reason in my opinion.
 
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