Britain Better After Brexit?

[Angela Channing]

Now that the transition period with the EU draws to an end, can anyone who voted for this Brexit abomination name one single way our lives will be better outside the EU tomorrow than it is today?

The Daily Mail had a guide today about life after Brexit and there didn't seem to be anything in it to celebrate and that is from one of the most rabid Brexit supporting media outlets:

 

[Willie Oleson]

name one single way our lives will be better outside the EU tomorrow than it is today?

I thought the whole point was to keep foreigners out.
Surely no one expected this to be a one-way situation?
There will be problems but I'm sure everyone will adjust (eventually). After all, there was an England before the EU.

 

[Angela Channing]

I thought the whole point was to keep foreigners out.
Surely no one expected this to be a one-way situation?
There will be problems but I'm sure everyone will adjust (eventually). After all, there was an England before the EU.

Well if the aim was to keep foreigners out then people will be disappointed. Even before Brexit was a thing, immigration into the UK from non-EU countries was rising because the UK needs immigration. Our population is aging so we need more young people to support our economy. The alternative would be to delay further the date when people retire but I doubt whether people were voting for having to work until they are 75.

Of course we will adjust but it will be adjusting to fewer freedoms, more taxes and a poorer country. You are right to refer to England rather than the UK because an inevitable consequence of Brexit will be the break up of our country. The Prime Minister has effectively turned Northern Ireland into a separate which will now be closer to the EU than the UK. Scotland and Welsh nationalism is growing and it's only a matter of time (I reckon less than 10 years) before Scotland becomes independent from the UK and eventually Wales will follow.

 

[Sarah]

It's going to be awful. And it's not just England @Noellie Oleson. Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are all affected, but Wales did vote to leave.

I think people will regret voting for it. Northern Ireland are different in that we aren't technically 'out' yet, but I'm disgusted by the UK government and as far as I'm concerned, Arlene Foster can go straight back to hell where she was created.

NI voted NO to Brexit but as usual we just get trailed along with everything England does, and Wales on this occasion too, mainly because people over here are stupid enough to keep a woman in power who is blinded by her own past, rather than concern for NI's future. I sincerely hope the cracks start to show soon and that NI is separated from the UK once and for all. Even older generations than me are now starting to believe a united Ireland is likely.

Thanks to the yes vote it's now going to be harder to travel to Europe, and that's not even the worst thing. It's going to affect so much, including cost of food, easiness of receiving goods etc. Those who voted for it, simply to 'keep foreigners out' (which is incredibly racist), probably don't have the wit to really realise what they were voting for.

I have a close friend who voted yes and now regrets it so much, he is totally embarrassed admitting it to anyone - and he did what he thought was right (nothing to do with 'foreigners' etc).

Oh and I now need a green card to drive in Europe, which for me as an IRISH CITIZEN also means if I cross the border between NI and the ROI.

 

[Willie Oleson]

And it's not just England @Noellie Oleson

When we say England we mean everything. not just "England".

 

[Sarah]

When we say England we mean everything. not just "England".

True! But how am I going to get to Efteling? I'm going to need a visa!

 

[Willie Oleson]

True! But how am I going to get to Efteling?

A secret tunnel?

 

[Brian Kinney]

After all, there was an England before the EU.

But that England (the remains of their industry) was destroyed by Thatcher. Good luck to Scotland's next referendum - from my view I haven't seen Wales or NI being as serious about it - am I wrong? They should help England to find a new identity... BTW I really don't know what justifies UK's role in the UN security council any longer. India could replace them.

 

[Brian Kinney]

I have a close friend who voted yes and now regrets it so much, he is totally embarrassed admitting it to anyone - and he did what he thought was right (nothing to do with 'foreigners' etc).

People don't like that the EU is doing rules about any unimportant details as vacuum cleaners or lightbulbs. I understand that. What I don't understand is that they haven't read the signs that are on any construction site you walk by. Almost every new building for a hospital, kindergarten, school or university is build with a big share of EU money. The farmers got their money from the EU. Once these cash injections are gone the regret will be bigger. Wealthy non-EU countries as Norway and Switzerland may have been an inspiration but their economy is totally different to the UK. And I never thought that British citizens care much about having own laws that overrule EU laws because it always seemed that only nationalistic politicians care about it, it's against their agenda.

 

[Angela Channing]

But that England (the remains of their industry) was destroyed by Thatcher. Good luck to Scotland's next referendum - from my view I haven't seen Wales or NI being as serious about it - am I wrong? They should help England to find a new identity... BTW I really don't know what justifies UK's role in the UN security council any longer. India could replace them.

Support for Scottish Independence is soaring so it's only a matter of time before they go there own way. The last poll is saw showed that 58% of the Scottish electorate wanted independence. Northern Ireland is now already semi-independent with a customs boarder between it and the UK mainland. Support for Welsh Independence is less strong but recently it has also been soaring from a previously low base now up to 33%. However, I think Scotland leaving the Union will have a domino effect and stimulate support for the independence movement in the other UK countries.

The UK's status in the world has become diminished and you are right to raise the issue of the UK permanent membership of the UN Security Council. I can see that being challenged and the EU won't support the UK on this as Germany arguably have a stronger claim to it. India as you suggest, or an African nation, could also justifiably want that seat and without EU support I can see the UK losing it.

I still can see a single benefit of the UK leaving the EU tomorrow. Even the Prime Minister's father knows it's a crock and has applied for French nationality so he can retain the benefits of being an EU citizen.

 

[Angela Channing]

Now the UK has effectively given away Gibraltar to Spain in order to secure a deal with the EU. So much for taking back control, Brexit seems to be more about giving away rights and securities that UK citizens previously had.

 

[Sarah]

Many older generations that I know, including many who are unionists, now say that a United Ireland is likely. It probably would have happened already if it wasn't for Devil's Wench Foster. I hope it does happen. I'm tired of having to fight for (not literally!) my own identity. I'm Irish, I was born on the island of Ireland and the only reason I can be referred to as British is because NI is part of the UK. I do not see myself as British and don't want to be. I'm not a die hard republican/nationalist or anything, but I'm tired feeling like the poo on the end of the UK's shoe. Enough is enough. It's the 21st century, not 1969.