"One Good Scare": The HALLOWEEN Films

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This video popped up in my YouTube suggestions this morning:


I do enjoy watching film reaction videos, but having an actor who appeared in the film critiquing herself takes it to a whole new level.

Her self-deprecation is quite endearing:
Katee: volume and diction. Where'd you learn how to act? ...You guys, I was annoying even then.


Interesting that she thinks she may have been mimicking Alicia Silverstone. I can totally see that. I always thought Katee's character resembled a cinematic Sydney Andrews, which makes sense since I suppose Syd was also very Aliciaesque.

Some of the inside knowledge about special effects tricks is fun as well. Most enlightening (and a little worrying) was the story about the body double hired to flash her bra without Katee's knowledge.

There's also the question for the ages:
I wonder what people don't like about this movie.
 

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you know if more horror would actually watch the Original Halloween (1978) they'd maybe get a clue on how a great horror movie is made instead of doing a jump scare every 5 seconds or using CGI blood or having a douche bag character in every horror film as well, in that case what Friday the 13th part 4 (1984) where you love all the characters and while the vast majority get killed in it you end up caring about them all unlike some movies made today that are just plain forgettable in most horror films
 

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The original Halloween was also all shot on location and relied on natural lighting and shadow to build its creepy suspense. It looked real rather than all the fake studio effects and CGI you get in every horror film now.

I long for the gore effects of Tom Savini and Giannetto de Rossi who did the Zombie films in the 70s and 80s, they new how to stage real horror and used clever prosthetics rather than cheap CGI.
 

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yes they did and Savini pretty much retired because of that i mean he teaches his class and all but he stopped doing movies because he's considered out of date much like Rick Baker the 2nd greatest makeup artist that ever freaking existed outside of Lon Chaney Sr. of course he retired not cause he wanted to but cause nobody was looking for the type of work he had done his entire career pretty much.

it's a dying art much like when they used to build models to blow stuff up and these days they use CGI. though to give the russo bros a lot of credit they barely used any CGI in Winter Soldier (2014)

it wasn't just cause it was shot on location though that did help and they even had their own clothes if i'm not mistaken that's how low budget they were. but though horror these days can use CGI well if it works for the story and the FX they want you can't do without using CGI that's one thing but if you use it cause you are just to damn lazy and it's just plain bad filmmaking when you choose CGI over making it more realistic. i hate CGI but when you have a film series like the Lord of the Ring series where you Need to use CGI that's for the story though so it's allowed.
the MCU films are a good good example where CGI is needed cause it would not work with the various type of different powers that each character has so it works in those films.

but when you make a horror movie and just use CGI just cause you can you are just a terrible filmmaker.
 

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I've been toying with the idea of doing a little ranking of the movies from the original franchise, which I consider to be the eight films released between 1978 and 2002.

To clarify, this ranking will not include the Rob Zombie reboot films nor the 2018 continuation of the original 1978 story line, simply because I don't care for the former and I haven't seen the latter.

Here's my ranking from worst-to-best:

#8 ─ HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION (2002)
This film commits a lot of franchise sins. Riding high off the success and fan reception of HALLOWEEN H20, the producers decided the weren't about to let their gash horse die. This sequel picks up three years after the previous film, and whips away that ceremonial ending of H20. Within the first ten minutes of the movie, they kill Laurie Strode in the most ridiculous way possible. The whole aftermath of college students spending the night in the Myers house was decent, but the idea would've worked better as a stand-alone film. The acting is pretty bad, the story execution is weak, and Busta Rhymes is horrid. I saw this movie a lot as a kid, but it definitely isn't the best that's why it's at the bottom.​
#7 ─ HALLOWEEN 5: THE REVENGE OF MICHAEL MYERS (1989)
Similar to the previous entry, this movie craps on everything that came before it. Where HALLOWEEN 4 returned to form, brought Michael back, and emerged as a fan favorite of the franchise, HALLOWEEN 5 just messes a lot of stuff up. The ending given to us at the end of the fourth film is push aside, and then Jamie Lloyd (the young heroine of the previous movie) spends over half of this film as a mute. Her foster sister, Rachel, is killed unexpectedly, which angers a lot of fans because she was she well-liked in the previous movie. This movie pushes us further into the Thorn Trilogy story line, and that in itself is a mess. Tina Williams is probably the worst character in slasher history, and it was a horrible mistake making her the "heroine" of this chapter. The acting here is bad and the layout is too. I watched this movie a lot as a kid, and while it does hold that nostalgia, I cannot deny that this movie is bad.

#6 ─ HALLOWEEN: THE CURSE OF MICHAEL MYERS (1995)
The concluding chapter of the Thorn Trilogy. Goodness, if this movie isn't a complete and utter mess all the way around. Not along is the whole Cult of Thorn plot completely insulting to the mythology of Michael Myers, but the characters here are pretty bad as well. While I don't get on the whole "Paul Rudd is awful" bandwagon, I do think he is a little creepy here, and not in a good way, either. The story line is all over the place, and you really don't know who you're following. I'm glad Donald Pleasance was well enough to come back for a little cameo, even though his presence here is pretty much skidded over. I wasn't too familiar with this chapter as a child, but I have seen it a lot in years since. On a positive note, I do think this film offers some very good atmosphere, colors, shadows, and suspense. It's one of the best portrayals and looks of Michael Myers too. That's what pushes this above the two below it. Beyond that, this movie needs a lot of work, and it still wouldn't be good probably.​
#5 ─ HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH (1982)
This movie doesn't need to be in the HALLOWEEN franchise. This movie doesn't need HALLOWEEN in the title. And that's simply because it taunts this movie's reputation. By slapping "Halloween" in this title, it automatically makes everyone think this is another Michael Myers story. It isn't. For a long time, I was offended that this chapter doesn't include Myers, but as I've matured, I've come to understand and appreciate where the producers were wanted to go with this franchise. They wanted to move away from Myers and his story line, and make the series an anthology. That was a bold move for this franchise, and while I enjoy Michael Myers, I must say that I am personally intrigued where this series could've gone using the anthology route. Aside from all that, this movie has really good story in pushing Halloween back to its witchcraft roots. Basically, the setup is a corporate leader trying to murder children on Halloween night. Colonel Cochran is one of the best movie villains there has been. The score is sharp, the acting is good, and twists are surprising. I thoroughly enjoy this movie.​
#4 ─ HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER (1998)
Another retcon story. I have a weird relationship with this entry. While I like that Jamie Lee Curtis as Laurie Strode is back at the helm, I hate that the Jamie Lloyd story line from the fourth film is axed from the continuity. I actually like how Laurie's moved to California and has assumed a new identity as head mistress of a private school to hide from Michael. There are a few periods through the middle part of this movie where it drags, but overall it is good. Aside from the mask fiasco that haunts this chapter, I actually enjoy this version of Michael Myers pretty well, and I think it perfectly fits the tone this movie goes for. A lot of fans critique this movie as being too SCREAM-esque, but I don't really get into all that. It's from the same era and that is noticeable, but that's about it. The final act of this movie is top-notch. From the moment Laurie Strode walks back into the school, locks the gate behind, and hollers "Michael!", this movie takes you on one heck of a ride. The acting is decent throughout and I like LL Cool J in this too. This isn't really a scary movie, but one for the fans. It has an extra tidbit for horror fans too by including Jamie Lee Curtis and her mother Janet Leigh (Marion Crane in the original PYSCHO) in the same film. They share a few scenes, and Janet Leigh is actually seen standing by the very same car she drove in PYSCHO in 1960.

#3 ─ HALLOWEEN II (1981)
The rest of the night he came home. I like how this movie picks up only minutes after the conclusion of the original. It does a well enough job of maintaining the same "feel" of the original, although this sequel is considerably more gory. Most of the characters here are just around to be killed, and the story goes in a few directions that probably should've been avoided. I know a lot of people are on the fence about the Laure/Michael brother/sister story-arc, but I think it was okay, but it just went a little too far. Some wrinkles could've been ironed out better, but I don't have any major beef with that particular angle. Myers himself here is a little stiff, but more brutal. This movie seems like it was inspired by the FRIDAY THE 13th craze, which is ironic considering HALLOWEEN fueled that franchise. I don't like how Jamie Lee Curtis looks here, nor do I appreciate her being relegated to the last act. This a very good sequel, but it does shift the tone and story line a little. And whether that works for you will depend on your preferences.

#2 ─ HALLOWEEN 4: THE RETURN OF MICHAEL MYERS (1988)
The tenth anniversary of the night he came home. This movie, in my opinion, does an excellent job of capturing the mood of the original. The mood for this movie is set by the opening credits; all the Halloween scenery is beautiful and spooky. Jamie Lee Curtis was finished with the movies at this point, so Danielle Harris was brought in as her younger daughter Jamie Lloyd. I think making Jamie, a seven-year-old girl, the lead of this movie was a good move. It was certainly different from other slashers, and it gives this movie it's own vibe. I also like Ellie Cornell as her foster sister Rachel, and she really shines in the scenes where she is protecting Jamie from Michael towards the end. This chapter is fueled a lot by nostalgia for me. I remember watching it every year when AMC would air these movies in a marathon. The kills are good, the acting is good, the atmosphere is good, and it's just a all-around good slasher. It might be the best, but it's darn near close.

#1 ─ HALLOWEEN (1978)
Nothing beats the original. I wasn't too well versed on this movie as a child, but I've watched a lot since then. Based solely on simplicity and creativity, this movie is one of the best films there's ever been really. When you look at the small budget, it's surprising they accomplished as much as they did. For the producers to secure Donald Pleasance was a treat in itself, and for them to discover Jamie Lee Curtis was a victory. She emerged as the definitive Scream Queen of the budding slasher genre. I like how this movie uses little gore, but relies heavy on old cinematic tricks to convey real suspense and terror. The atmosphere is great and the acting, aside from a few missteps, is pretty good throughout. This is the definitive slasher. Although movies like BLACK CHRISTMAS came before, HALLOWEEN is typically considered the sole movie that started the slasher craze that dominated the 1980s. HALLOWEEN remains one of the most successful independent movies ever made (it may very well be the most successful).​
 

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And Ana- Alicia, Melissa Agretti from Falcon Crest, was an early victim of Jason's in the film.
Either I'm misunderstanding your comment, or you are a little off with your information.

Ana Alicia played a nurse named Janet Marshall in HALLOWEEN II in 1981, the sequel to the 1978 John Carpenter classic. Michael Myers is the masked killer of the HALLOWEEN universe (excluding the third stand-alone film). Jason Voorhees is the antagonist of the FRIDAY THE 13th franchise, excluding the first film where Betsy Palmer as Mrs. Voorhees was the killer.
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Either I'm misunderstanding your comment, or you are a little off with your information.

Ana Alicia played a nurse named Janet Marshall in HALLOWEEN II in 1981, the sequel to the 1978 John Carpenter classic. Michael Myers is the masked killer of the HALLOWEEN universe (excluding the third stand-alone film). Jason Voorhees is the antagonist of the FRIDAY THE 13th franchise, excluding the first film where Betsy Palmer as Mrs. Voorhees was the killer.
Oops, yes it was Halloween 2, I got the 2 films confused. Thanks for the correction.
 

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ya know they can put out 5,000 more of these suckers long after we all are all dead one day and None of them were be as good as the Original masterpiece of the (1978) film. someone on you tube not that long ago said oh it's been be the best one yet i said while i do agree it looks pretty damn good it won't be as good as the Original and he goes you haven't seen it yet bro i said that's true i haven't but the Original is a f... masterpiece while this one may turn out to be one of the better ones i doubt it will be as good as the Original. & i'm sticking to that too. i loved the lats one but one thing that film has that drives me nuts is having characters that are dumber than dog shit. in fact i think Dog shit is smarter than some of these people. the 2 couple at the start who get killed in the hotel room, the one likable guy

who ends up getting killed and is too stupid to realize a maniac is about to kill him how dumb can you get?
 

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I didn't think it could get any more exciting, and then I saw Tommy & Lindsey were back!!!

It's incredible. I count seven original characters returning from the first film (including Michael and Lonnie), with five played by the original actors (if we count Nick Castle). Even little Lindsey is played by the same actress.

I wonder who'll be next? Will we meet Ben Tramer, perhaps?! Or could Lance Guest be getting a phone call from his agent?!
 

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I just checked on Wiki to see who else is coming back and, I'm awed that they have managed to bring back five originals.

Same here. Especially since a couple of them were killed off in previous sequels.

That's the fun part of the retcon/soft reboot thing. It opens up all kinds of possibilities. A bit like when Katherine Wentworth came back on Dallas when up to that point it hadn't occurred to me she wasn't dead anymore.
 

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my only gripe with the remake/sequel dunno what you'd call the last one is that the characters other than Jamie Lee Curtis was dumber than box of doornails.

her daughter i forget her name was stupid up to a point but if you look at the Original the characters weren't stupid at all you i don't think. Lonnie i forget he was in the new one. too bad Donald Pleasence isn't gonna be in it i know he's passed away and that shit he'd be what 100 years old now? or close it anyways.
 

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Watching the trailers and BTS stuff for the new film has given me a number of Halloween-related suggestions on YouTube.

Among them is this little gem.


Firstly, it's great to hear a lengthy JLC monologue on a subject like this at a time where there wasn't the need to gloss over any of the flaws.

Secondly, I'm fascinated by how the pretty excellent H20 ending was retconned out of existence, and Jamie confirms here that the Resurrection retcon was actually planned at the time they shot H20. And while she did it, she's clearly not happy about it and it's evident she knows just how godawful Resurrection is (she practically apologises for appearing in it).

Finally, in retrospect it's funny to hear her speaking at the end about the chances of her ever playing Laurie Strode again or appearing in another Halloween film.
 

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i love Jamie Lee Curtis even before i saw Halloween or maybe that was my 1st film that i ever saw her in i really honestly do not remember. but i wish she would do more Horror i get that she doesn't want to do just that like she did early on in her career. but i want her to do something else other than halloween. and i agree a thousand percent i also enjoy H20 as well (1998) but it's sequel WOW is it bad. part 6 the Original cut is bad but Resurrection was far far worse an in my book is the worst one. though i really enjoyed the producers cut i did not expect that. i have a workprint copy of Resurrection somewhere around here but i just can't bring myself to watch it i also have it on bluray as well cause i have them all as a matter of fact.
 
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