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Hillary Clinton Chokes Up Reading Victory Speech She Never Gave
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Hillary Clinton Gets Emotional Reading Never-Heard 2016 Acceptance Speech, Is The Mask Off?
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She thinks she lost due to the hatred of women. Or because of Susan Sarandon or Jill Stein. Or something. Maybe Bernie.
The electoral college (or her own unlikeability) was the real culprit.
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Exactly. She leaned too hard into the neoliberalism of her husband because she was too clueless to read the room and realize it wasn't 1993 anymore.
She said universal healthcare would never come to pass, accused Bernie supporters of being a bunch of bitter basement dwellers who wanted a pony, and told Rachel Maddow she didn't need to make concessions to the left because she was "winning by millions of votes." And just to double down on that, she picked someone to her right as her VP.
Now she's gone from listing scapegoats to giving the victory speech she was unable to deliver five years ago. The timing is rather interesting because Julian Assange is being discussed once again, with the media firmly on the side of his prosecution. On the other hand, The Hill just ran an article stating "Hillary may be the Dems' best hope in 2024."
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Does anyone think it’s possible she runs again? Personally I think it’s more likely than most would admit
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I think it's possible. I was actually surprised she didn't run in 2020. She's a narcissist like Trump. Neither took losing well, and they both blamed their losses on external forces.
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Some perverse nihilistic impulse in me wants to see her in the White House. But not before I re-stock my fall-out shelter.
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Thanks for sharing her victory speech that never was. It made me a bit sad watching that as I wanted her to win so much back in 2016. I had such high hopes for the US finally getting a female president and Hillary Rodham Clinton was really qualified for the job and I think she would have been a great President if given the chance. 
I doubt she'll ever run again since the democrats are in office now. I think she would have been more likely to run again if Trump had won the 2020 election instead of Joe Biden. As it is now I think Trump is more likely to make a comeback in 2024.
I also think the electoral college is a peculiar voting system. It makes no sense to me how a candidate can get more than 1 million votes more than another candidate and still lose the election.
But yeah it was a lovely speech which she never was able to give. I think a part of the reason why she lost was because she had underestimated Trump and she was so sure of winning that she neglected visiting some states on the campaign trial.
I doubt she'll ever run again since the democrats are in office now. I think she would have been more likely to run again if Trump had won the 2020 election instead of Joe Biden. As it is now I think Trump is more likely to make a comeback in 2024.
I also think the electoral college is a peculiar voting system. It makes no sense to me how a candidate can get more than 1 million votes more than another candidate and still lose the election.
But yeah it was a lovely speech which she never was able to give. I think a part of the reason why she lost was because she had underestimated Trump and she was so sure of winning that she neglected visiting some states on the campaign trial.
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I’ve never understood this myself and I’ve lived in the US my entire life. I think it’s happened five times in our country’s history, most recently in 2000 and of course in 2016 as we know. To me the whole premise of democracy is the majority vote rules so I’ve always felt it’s a bad message for the person with the most votes to end up losing.
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The United States has never been a pure democracy. It's a republic. We elect representatives who then make decisions for us.
The electoral college was put in place to ensure that the interests of ALL citizens were equally represented. Majority rule isn't always the fairest form of government (especially if you happen to be in the minority). Without the electoral college, Texas, California, and New York would pick our presidents and those who live in less populous states would have no real representation in the presidency.
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While true, you also need to throw in a healthy dose of elitism: the Electoral College as a stonewall against the dumb general population electing a populist demagogue.
Oh, the irony.
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So what you are saying is that the 1 million voters who cast their vote for Hillary doesn't count since they lived in the most populated states?
I don't see the logic in that. I think every vote should count and not just the ones in the swing states.
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I don't necessarily disagree, just giving the reason for the EC. And it won't change, ever, because it would take an Amendment to the Constitution and that means 2/3 of senators or states.
I would caution about pure majority rule, though. In this country, that could result in many minority groups losing their basic civil rights.
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Thanks for explaining @CeeCee72
Personally I do think the electorial college is outdated and should be changed. But considering that 2/3 of the senate will have to vote in favor of that I don't see it happen anytime soon. Unfortunately I think this also means that gun laws won't change any time soon either.
Personally I do think the electorial college is outdated and should be changed. But considering that 2/3 of the senate will have to vote in favor of that I don't see it happen anytime soon. Unfortunately I think this also means that gun laws won't change any time soon either.
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There are certainly strong opinions on both sides of the issue.Thanks for explaining @CeeCee72
Personally I do think the electoral college is outdated and should be changed. But considering that 2/3 of the senate will have to vote in favor of that I don't see it happen anytime soon. Unfortunately I think this also means that gun laws won't change any time soon either.
However, for most of American History, the Electoral College has been consistent with the winner. Until the 2000 election, the last time the Electoral College winner
differed from the popular vote was 1888. (Also 1876 and 1824)
It is sometimes overlooked that the popular vote in each state elects Electors who vote for the President
These Electors are not necessarily confined by the results of the State elections, unless State Law states otherwise.
For example, Candidate A could win the Popular Vote, but one, some or all of the Electors may vote for Candidate B, unless
that state's law prohibits such a change.
This is another controversial aspect of the election process
It is a little complicated.
The basic rationale for almost all of these procedures is provide numerous competing interests (Rural v Urban, Small densely populated states v large land mass/smaller population states, port states v landlocked states, etc) with somewhat equal voices in the process.
The Founding Fathers did have the vision to provide any number of safeguards (Constitutional Amendments, etc.)
One rationale is the joke that democracy is 2 wolfs and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner. The Electoral College is
at least one way to address such an imbalance
The Electoral college will have its supporters and detractors, but as stated previously, a Constitutional Amendment would be needed to change it.
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This, coming from a candidate who refused to step on the stage and offer a concession speech to her followers. Instead she sent some poor minion out at an ungodly hour to tell the world Ms. Clinton would not be stepping onto the stage set up under a glass ceiling because...well you know...I'm a sore loser.
That act alone spoke volumes about Hillary Clinton. She graced the stages leading up to that election with an air of entitlement.
That act alone spoke volumes about Hillary Clinton. She graced the stages leading up to that election with an air of entitlement.