A Better Season 9?

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In the first episode of the ninth season: Richard's lawyer goes to see Maggie who is in the pool with the children when the maid tells him
The lawyer gives her the engagement ring and tells her that Richrad wants to talk to her ,Maggie tells him that she is very busy!!!!
He tells her that Richard is desperate and that he wants to see her. He tells her that if he doesn't feel anything, he should at least pretend he's in jail. In the end she agrees
In meeting it is a jail room for a vis a vis. Fearing for his life, Richard wants to make love one last time there. ?
That he wanted to have an intimate conversation is fine but that he wanted to lie there, it's incredible
Maggie is cold and sanctimonious despite the fact that he looks desperate and defeated Maggie behaves as if she were a judge He misbehaved and deserved jail time
Their reunion was, well, kind of cold. The setting was the least romantic in the world and it was almost like she was doing him a favor.
At the end when he agrees to make love, the final shot of her is of her undressing her unwillingly and in the background that is the last image of one of the most famous couples in television history
That scene was written so that the fans would admit that Richard would fall in love with Lauren in a very short time.
In 9.14 Brotherly Love Finally, this episode's trashy writing culminated in creating an affair between Richard and Genele in the original script draft (sex in the shower). Fortunately, David Selby refused to play the scene because he thought it was out of character for Richard.
And sleeping with Maggie in a cell was in line with her character?
I didn't talk about Susan, she was fired and they had offered her a lot of money for that episode so she wasn't in a position to demand anything. But since David agreed to shoot something like that amazing

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Oh, how interesting – my impression of this particular scene is quite different from yours. I don’t think Richard expected Maggie to sleep with him, or even thought about it might happen. I assumed the prison guards put them in to the room with the bed instead of a regular visitors’ room because they were a married couple, and they thought that if a wife visited her husband it would be because they wanted to have some time for themselves, but I never thought either Richard or Maggie actually intended to have sex.

Richard was afraid he might be killed and wanted to make amends one last time, as he says. Maggie only reluctantly visits him, and only after Julius insisted it was urgent that she go and see Richard.

I assume at that point, Richard has been in jail for a few months (I never quite manage to figure out the timeline on the show). It has been clear that Maggie is still married to him, even though she left him months ago (maybe because it is her way of showing her support while he is going through a difficult time), but at the same time we learn that she has never visited him nor spoken to Richard and doesn’t actually want to do so.

I think they end up having sex rather spontaneously, because Maggie is shocked to see Richard so devastated, and realizes her feelings for him while being afraid of losing him for good if he should die.

Interestingly, I thought they’d included the scene to start the season with one last proof for how much Richard is in love with Maggie. I thought it was meant to imply that they might reconcile once he gets out of prison, which was why Maggie’s death appeared even worse than it did. This would then also explain Richard’s character arc during the season, as he says he cannot do certain things because he promised Maggie. He finds himself unable to kill Sharpe, and he eventually agrees to sell Falcon Crest to Angela because he realizes he and Lauren won’t be able to live in peace if he doesn’t; something he hadn’t realized as long as Maggie had been alive.

My interpretation.
 

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I so disagree with you, the writing was the opposite of uninspired and boring and that is the problem long term fans have with it, it basically turned the show on its head.

I can really understand why fans didn't like what they did but I was really excited. It was insane. The dead Falcon at the start set the tone and then it was like evil had come to FC. I thought that was great.

Maggie's death will alway be my favourite exit of a TV character, so simple yet so brutal. Who has the balls to do that to one of their leads? It was my soap version of the red wedding in Game of Thrones.

Like WTF, did they really just do that?
Then in top of that to have her dead body robbed.

I was very excited about the whole thing.

The other option felt to me to be more of the same with a lack lustre final season. At least this was memorable.

But I do get why others don't like it.
I am absolutely one of those hardcore fans who are unhappy with how things were turned on their head. For me the transition from “wine business” to “financial business” just didn’t work. How is it that Richard had an arch enemy who never once appeared during the 7 seasons before, but now is the main villain? At the same time, too many characters had left and those new weren’t ones the writers made me care about them. But all viewers are different viewers, so this is on me.

What I referred to with boring wasn’t so much the new setting and dramatic tone; that could have been good. But what I really didn’t like about the writing was that it lacked the humour and wit of some earlier seasons, and that it was extremely dialogue-heavy, yet most of the dialogue didn’t contribute to driving the plot. It was just characters talking to each other endlessly.

Also I find that they underused lots of plot ideas, glossing over them instead of fleshing them out and using them to create more complex storylines. For instance, why do we only learn that Danny is Richard’s son very late in the season? And then it is resolved within just two or three episodes and that’s it? It would have made an excellent plot spanning the entire season, with Richard trying to come to terms with this, while also confronting his own past. There were lots of other instances where the writers just didn’t flesh out what might have made really good plotlines, or hurried through something without giving it sufficient time to make a really good story. Like when Lauren ran away to waitress in some grubby diner (Why in the first place?? There could have been a super interesting backstory for her? And why doesn’t it take more effort on Richard’s side to find her?)

Sorry for rambling, I didn’t mean to lecture you. We’re all entitled to like what we do.
 

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It is nice to find someone on this forum who does not hate on season 9.

The writer and producer of season 9 went on to create “24” which was a hit show with critical acclaim. So they had some good ideas.

I can understand why many fans were upset cause FC drew more traditional viewers. By season 9 times were changing and show was kind of stale. It needed some shaking up. Lance, Pilar, Emma and Richard finally had some challenges with new enemies and the absence of Angela. The dynamics were interesting.

I didn’t watch season 9 during it’s original run, when I saw it for the first time a few months ago I was amazed by the first episode. It was one of the most thrilling episodes of the entire series. Richard trying to find out how his cell was sabotaged was intense. He always did a lot of talking so the silent acting in that scene was great.

The death of Maggie was definitely memorable. By the middle of season 8 the Maggie character was pretty boring again. Maggie was only interesting when she got with Richard and when she left him she reverted to boring.

Season 9 also had a more realistic feel, the characters were portrayed with all their faults. I enjoyed the financial story lines since I work in that realm. Not often does one see a plot around short selling. The criminals on the show were great too, especially the hitman with the house full of kids. Michael Sharpe’s lawyer went on to play supporting roles in a lot of great films.

Maybe it’s time for me to revisit season 9.
I agree with what you say about the first ep when we see Richard in prison. This was told very densely, and it was great acting by David Selby. Sadly, as the season went on I found the writing didn't live up to this when it could have.
 

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I agree with what you say about the first ep when we see Richard in prison. This was told very densely, and it was great acting by David Selby. Sadly, as the season went on I found the writing didn't live up to this when it could have.
Agreed, the series lost steam half way through when they realize they were going to be cancelled.

Overall season 9 gets all the hate while fans seem to overlook the two horrid sexual violence towards women (Maggie and Jordan) storylines in seasons 5 and 6. Even in the beginning of season 8 Maggie again had a creeper in the form of Senator Ryder who tried to kidnap her.
 

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Agreed, the series lost steam half way through when they realize they were going to be cancelled.

Overall season 9 gets all the hate while fans seem to overlook the two horrid sexual violence towards women (Maggie and Jordan) storylines in seasons 5 and 6. Even in the beginning of season 8 Maggie again had a creeper in the form of Senator Ryder who tried to kidnap her.
And Richard using Sam Ross in what comes close to an abusive relationship, at least this is how I see it; it always gives me the chills to see them together, even though they have chemistry.
 

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It is nice to find someone on this forum who does not hate on season 9.

The writer and producer of season 9 went on to create “24” which was a hit show with critical acclaim. So they had some good ideas.

I can understand why many fans were upset cause FC drew more traditional viewers. By season 9 times were changing and show was kind of stale. It needed some shaking up. Lance, Pilar, Emma and Richard finally had some challenges with new enemies and the absence of Angela. The dynamics were interesting.

I didn’t watch season 9 during it’s original run, when I saw it for the first time a few months ago I was amazed by the first episode. It was one of the most thrilling episodes of the entire series. Richard trying to find out how his cell was sabotaged was intense. He always did a lot of talking so the silent acting in that scene was great.

The death of Maggie was definitely memorable. By the middle of season 8 the Maggie character was pretty boring again. Maggie was only interesting when she got with Richard and when she left him she reverted to boring.

Season 9 also had a more realistic feel, the characters were portrayed with all their faults. I enjoyed the financial story lines since I work in that realm. Not often does one see a plot around short selling. The criminals on the show were great too, especially the hitman with the house full of kids. Michael Sharpe’s lawyer went on to play supporting roles in a lot of great films.

Maybe it’s time for me to revisit season 9.

There are others who enjoyed season 9, so you are not alone. It has always been a topic of division.

I loved because how it made me feel, very excited and shocked. Being able to shock me and get me excited about any soap (apart from Knots) at that point was rather an acheivement.

Wasn't it season 8 that was awarded most ruined TV show?

Which is a shame as wasn't it Mike Filerman I'm charge?
 

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If we’re being real, the show had issues as far back as season 5 (which was awful) and the reboot in season 6 was drastic as well, the only difference is they had more money.

Fans get upset about the lack of returns, location shooting, etc., but they didn’t have the money for any of that. I think it was a good season, the one thing I hate is the lack of Angela. Had she appeared the entire season I do think it would’ve been stronger. I feel like they made the most of what they had budget wise and did a good job of rebooting the series as something that felt true to the series.
 

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This won't be popular, but put me down as someone who loves season 9. You must understand, I came into the game late. I didn't start watching Dallas or Falcon Crest till early 1988, so, when all the changes came about in season 9, it just didn't really phase me because I hadn't seen enough of the earlier years to be particularly attached to some of the old ways. As soon as Charlie smothered Angela with that pillow, I was hooked. The fact that he could get away with that. It was a season of tight writing, and lots of twists and turns, and Gregory Harrison played a great character. The dimensions he had. Just watch how he acted the scenes when he found out Danny wasn't his son. He was human after all! Seeing some of the older seasons now, I do understand why longtime fans might have been turned off, but even then, it's much more exciting than season 8. I still say, had this been a new show in 1989, or had been distanced from Dallas with maybe a new name, it could have been successful.
 

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Somebody at CBS really liked Gregory Harrison. For the better part of two decades he was in the main cast of several of their primetime series and miniseries: Logan's Run, Trapper John MD, Fresno, Falcon Crest, The Family Man, New York News, Nothing Lasts Forever.
 
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Somebody at CBS really liked Gregory Harrison. For the better part of two decades he was in the main cast of several of their primetime series and miniseries: Logan's Run, Trapper John MD, Fresno, Falcon Crest, The Family Man, New York News, Nothing Lasts Forever.
Well, it is not understood Falcon Crest sank in the ninth season with Gregory playing a financial genius, he always seemed more like a mobster to me, nor in Family Man, nor did I like him as a fire captain, a widower with two children.
The graph is of the millions of viewers of the ninth season of Falcon Crest
From the eighth episode viewers fell sharply from eleven million in the third episode to 9.2 in the last
By the way the episode of the return of Jane had the minimum eight million
 

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As Leonard Katzman once pointed out, good writing doesn't matter if the audience doesn't like the cast.

The newbies didn't appeal; the oldies were wandering away. The scripts for Season 9 may have improved but FC no longer "felt" like FC.

Fix the writing, yes, but when the tone of a show becomes unrecognizable, the audience continues to leave.

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As Leonard Katzman once pointed out, good writing doesn't matter if the audience doesn't like the cast.

The newbies didn't appeal; the oldies were wandering away. The scripts for Season 9 may have improved but FC no longer "felt" like FC.

Fix the writing, yes, but when the tone of a show becomes unrecognizable, the audience continues to leave.

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The scripts of the ninth were awful
I remember one Richard and Lauren invite Michael and Anne to dinner in a small, poorly furnished room. For dessert Lauren and Anne get up for dessert
Can anyone imagine Pam or Sue Ellen or Kristel getting up to pick up dessert?
And Richard and Michael are supposed to be millionaires starting to discuss investments.
 

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As Leonard Katzman once pointed out, good writing doesn't matter if the audience doesn't like the cast.

The newbies didn't appeal; the oldies were wandering away. The scripts for Season 9 may have improved but FC no longer "felt" like FC.

Fix the writing, yes, but when the tone of a show becomes unrecognizable, the audience continues to leave.

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How many different fonts did they use for the title cards in S9? Every person got his/her own font or what?! :lol:
 

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Well, it is not understood Falcon Crest sank in the ninth season with Gregory playing a financial genius, he always seemed more like a mobster to me, nor in Family Man, nor did I like him as a fire captain, a widower with two children.
The graph is of the millions of viewers of the ninth season of Falcon Crest
From the eighth episode viewers fell sharply from eleven million in the third episode to 9.2 in the last
By the way the episode of the return of Jane had the minimum eight million
Keep in mind, if you're speaking of ratings here in the states, those last four episodes of Falcon Crest aired in a horrible time slot, putting it against Cheers on NBC. Not that it would have done "much" better in any slot by that time, but still. They should have at least respected the show enough to put those final episodes where they belonged, right after Dallas. I guess you could say at least they didn't wait till the summer.
 

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Keep in mind, if you're speaking of ratings here in the states, those last four episodes of Falcon Crest aired in a horrible time slot, putting it against Cheers on NBC.
According to Google:

The last Friday episode was March 16, 1990. March 23, 1990 CBS broadcast college basketball. March 30, 1990 started the new CBS Friday lineup of 9 pm Bagdad Cafe, 9:30 pm Sugar and Spice, 10 pm Dallas and this lasted until May 11, 1990, exception being April 20, 1990 when CBS broadcast That's Life!

The Thursday episodes were April 26, 1990; May 3, 1990; May 10, 1990; May 17, 1990. The first two Thursday episodes were head-to-head with a new episode of Cheers and the season finale of Cheers. The last two Thursday episodes were head-to-head with repeats of Cheers.
 

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Somebody at CBS really liked Gregory Harrison. For the better part of two decades he was in the main cast of several of their primetime series and miniseries: Logan's Run, Trapper John MD, Fresno, Falcon Crest, The Family Man, New York News, Nothing Lasts Forever.
Greg Harrison is very likable presence and someone who was just made to do a TV series. I thought he would have been a better replacement for Patrick Duffy on Dallas than Dack Rambo was. They could have teamed him up with Pam, too, instead of bringing back the Pornstache.
 

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Oh, how interesting – my impression of this particular scene is quite different from yours. I don’t think Richard expected Maggie to sleep with him, or even thought about it might happen. I assumed the prison guards put them in to the room with the bed instead of a regular visitors’ room because they were a married couple, and they thought that if a wife visited her husband it would be because they wanted to have some time for themselves, but I never thought either Richard or Maggie actually intended to have sex.

Richard was afraid he might be killed and wanted to make amends one last time, as he says. Maggie only reluctantly visits him, and only after Julius insisted it was urgent that she go and see Richard.

I assume at that point, Richard has been in jail for a few months (I never quite manage to figure out the timeline on the show). It has been clear that Maggie is still married to him, even though she left him months ago (maybe because it is her way of showing her support while he is going through a difficult time), but at the same time we learn that she has never visited him nor spoken to Richard and doesn’t actually want to do so.

I think they end up having sex rather spontaneously, because Maggie is shocked to see Richard so devastated, and realizes her feelings for him while being afraid of losing him for good if he should die.

Interestingly, I thought they’d included the scene to start the season with one last proof for how much Richard is in love with Maggie. I thought it was meant to imply that they might reconcile once he gets out of prison, which was why Maggie’s death appeared even worse than it did. This would then also explain Richard’s character arc during the season, as he says he cannot do certain things because he promised Maggie. He finds himself unable to kill Sharpe, and he eventually agrees to sell Falcon Crest to Angela because he realizes he and Lauren won’t be able to live in peace if he doesn’t; something he hadn’t realized as long as Maggie had been alive.

My interpretation.
This scene before the marital meeting was deleted in post production
Before Maggie comes home where Emma is waiting for
her de ella in the evening, the director's cut contained an act 1 scene with Maggie's first visit de ella with Richard in prison—in a visiting room with a wire-mesh screen between them. Right at the beginning of this scene, Richard notices and addresses Maggie's new haircut from her. Richard tries to explain he has changed, having undergone a trauma in prison and feeling humiliated. Maggie tries to fight off her tears because she is still torn between anger and her feelings for Richard. The scene ends with Maggie pulling out "We Miss You, Daddy" drawings from Michael and Kevin and pressing them against the glass partition.
Presumably it would be a very emotional scene. The cold and soulless scene in the marital room should have been suppressed.
Fortunately, in the following episode Charley directed by Reza Badiyi there is this short and emotional scene that if in a suitable clasp to that love story
Maggie the ghost of her? he is on the bed and lectures Richard it must be good to take care of his children...
At the end Richard asks her to do something for him.
Maggie
whatever you want
Richard
give me a hug
 
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