"Adolescence"

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So interesting. You've posted that MP scene before.

Sounds like someone has had projective 'conversations' in the fringes -- interesting what versions comes out the other side.

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To put some perspective on the matter, the majority of domestic homicide victims in the UK were female (around 2 thirds) and over 90% of the suspects were male. Regarding male domestic homicides, most suspects were a male family member (around 2 thirds). Women killing men in a domestic setting is a relatively rare event.

More men a convicted of domestic homicide. Women are far less likely to even be charged with domestic homicide, let alone convicted of it, and when convicted receive a lesser sentence. And her claims of "self-defense" are taken far more seriously when she kills her partner.

Again, lesbian couples have the highest levels of domestic abuse than any other demographic.

Last year, in the States, 1,700 men killed his opposite-sex partner and 1,100 women killed theirs. But the "murder" statistics don't reflect that because she's less likely to be charged, when she is charged she's likely to be charged with a lesser-crime, she's less likely to be convicted, and when she is convicted she's likely to receive a lesser-sentence.

Sugar and spice, you know.
 
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I found an interesting review of "Adolescence" from the perspective of a mother of boys. Her critique of the show tells me I was right on target about the show's messaging.

She also mentions how boys deserve more positive reinforcement, which is something I've noticed as well. Messaging aimed at boys is perpetually negative.

Lastly, she said the bullying of Jamie is given little attention compared to "incel culture" when it comes to his rage. IMO, the impact of bullying shouldn't be undermined.

Netflix series 'Adolescence' left me sad and mad as a mother of boys | Opinion​


Netflix series 'Adolescence' tries to serve as a warning, and the questions it raises are good. But the answers that it lands on are where the show veers off course.​


As the mom of two boys, Netflix's popular show "Adolescence," about a 13-year-old accused of murder, made me mad.

I can see why the show is popular, garnering more than 66 million views in its first two weeks on the streaming site and a 99% score on Rotten Tomatoes. The story about Jamie, who is arrested in the stabbing death of a teenage girl from his school, is sinister and haunting.

The four-part series is beautifully shot, and the acting is superb − Owen Cooper who plays Jamie is extraordinary. The show taps into gut-wrenching issues: parents' worst fears for their children and the online world's allure and dangers for boys. But the real point isn't about parenting, grief or even violence.

"Adolescence" promotes a political agenda, and the narrative is built around that. It's a screed about toxic masculinity with a 13-year-old child at its center. Through vignettes about his home life with two flawed but loving parents, school friends and interviews with professionals about his behavior, "Adolescence" makes boys and men out to be problematic, susceptible to toxicity online and seemingly destined for violence.

The series tries to serve as a warning, and the questions it raises are good. But the answers that the series lands on are where it veers off course.

'Adolescence' and the misogyny of Andrew Tate​

Jamie appears to have a loving family and stable home, but his school seems chaotic and disruptive. Teachers yell, and students start fights and bully one another.

We learn that Jamie has gotten caught up in "incel" culture. Incels are a subculture of misogynistic men who lurk online and blame their lack of romantic and sexual prowess on the women they hate.

One of the fictional detectives casually drops a reference to real-life celebrity Andrew Tate, a popular but toxic British American influencer who faces sexual misconduct charges in Britain and is under investigation in Romania. One of Tate's ex-girlfriends recently made new allegations of abuse.

"Adolescence" provides a "look in the eye of male rage," Jack Thorne, the show's co-creator, told the BBC.

The series has already sparked a debate in Britain over smartphone bans. And Thorne has said that he wants a ban in the United Kingdom on social media use by children under the age of 16.

I'm no fan of obsessive smartphone or rampant social media use by teens and have railed against it myself. There's a place for that debate, and policy changes could help parents and teens navigate a toxic online world.

But that's not the main theme of the series − and that's where I get frustrated.

What 'Adolescence' gets wrong​

A headline for an Esquire article about the show says, "The crisis in masculinity isn't scaremongering. It's real and it's dangerous."

To a degree, I agree. Tate and his ilk are magnetic for some young men, and that isn't good. I worry about the mental state of those young men who are angry and perpetually online. But let's keep those concerns in perspective.

"Adolescence" ends with Jamie's father, played by series co-creator Stephen Graham, weeping in his son's bedroom. The message sems to be that even if you love and nurture your son, he'll get caught up in a toxic internet subset, commit a crime and break the hearts of the people who raised him. It's a message of hopelessness and fear − that boys are just one online click away from misogyny and violence.

As a mom of boys, I reject that depressing conclusion. Boys like Jamie do exist, but the data doesn't support it as a widespread trend.

Men are more likely to commit violent crimes than women, but only a small percentage of men are guilty of violence. We should be cautious about passing sweeping laws, like social media and smartphone bans, based on the actions of a relative few.

As parents, we can do far more than restrict our sons' use of phones and social media, although limits are a good idea. We also can appreciate and celebrate the incredible and unique differences between boys and girls, men and women. It's good to feel good about being a male.

And we can be deeply engaged in our sons' (and daughters') education. I noticed how little Jamie's chaotic school environment played a role in "Adolescence." It was his foray into the online world that lured him to violence, but research shows that bullying in school can contribute to boys becoming violent.

The best antidote to toxic masculinity isn't to ban incel culture or to show boys what's wrong with men like Tate. We must offer an alternative − a picture of healthy masculinity for boys to emulate. Although I love being a mom, it's healthy, good men who are best at teaching boys to become healthy, good men.

"Adolescence" is riveting and sad, but it demonizes boys, suggesting that their entrapment in the toxic online culture is inevitable. We shouldn't accept the narrative that boys are destined for violence just because they are boys.

Source: 'Adolescence' paints toxic view of boys. It gets a lot wrong | Opinion
 
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Unfortunately, today, reviewers review based on topicality, not having the guts to give a thumbs down on a woke-ish project for fear of being canceled. Which is why you now often see such a discrepancy between the Rotten Tomatoes critics' ratings and the audience's (although the audience's rating for ADOLESCENCE is pretty high, as well).
 

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Incels are a subculture of misogynistic men who lurk online and blame their lack of romantic and sexual prowess on the women they hate.
This is new to me, but then again I'm not a woman and I don't use the kind of social media that would make it possible for anyone to bully me.

Telling a story, to approach a topical subject from a particular angle...when did this stop being entertaining? Why has it all become "messaging", something that needs to be agreed with?
Yes, the first question is no longer "do I like this film?", it's become "do I agree with this film?"
So typical.
 

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This is new to me, but then again I'm not a woman and I don't use the kind of social media that would make it possible for anyone to bully me.

Telling a story, to approach a topical subject from a particular angle...when did this stop being entertaining? Why has it all become "messaging", something that needs to be agreed with?
Yes, the first question is no longer "do I like this film?", it's become "do I agree with this film?"
So typical.
And yet "do I agree?" is your standard for content creators. You didn't watch the video in the "Blair White & Jazz Jennings" thread because you could "already imagine what it's like." I suppose you could say that's not entertainment, but its intent is to address a topical issue. "Adolescence" also addresses an issue, so the messaging is an important factor.

Frankly, not every story is entertaining to everybody. Entertainment is subjective. If I end up rolling my eyes because I find the material heavy handed, am I being entertained? I've seen clips from the show, and the boy's performance is very good. However, the story sounds rather predictable and one sided. Of course, nobody's forcing you to agree.
 
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And yet "do I agree?" is your standard for content creators. You didn't watch the video in the "Blair White & Jazz Jennings" thread because you could "already imagine what it's like." I suppose you could say that's not entertainment, but its intent is to address a topical issue. "Adolescence" also addresses an issue, so the messaging is an important factor.

Frankly, not every story is entertaining to everybody. Entertainment is subjective. If I end up rolling my eyes because I find the material heavy handed, am I being entertained? I've seen clips from the show, and the boy's performance is very good. However, the story sounds rather predictable and one sided. Of course, nobody's forcing you to agree.

Well, there are also clever people who are, for passive-aggressive virtue-signaling purposes, disinclined to acknowledge any flaws in the feminist narrative or even the left-damaging agenda of Woke-ism, because they're not sure how to address it and still have all their angles covered in terms of how they look, sound and seem. It's a defensive attempt to remain politically-correct (which is impossible anyway) even though they're smart enough to recognize the profound flaws in the Woke-y argument and agenda

So it's a kind of cowardice, which they express by pretending to be above the discussion and/or by offering contrived analyses of the topic at hand in order to avoid more honest dialogue because it helps them traverse uncomfortable discussions they're not sure how to approach without looking potentially down-market in their observations, pretending to be the adult-in-the-room in so doing. Which is really all they want anyway.

In polite society, we call them "intelligent people with a balanced perspective."
 

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If I end up rolling my eyes because I find the material heavy handed
Then you're right because heavy-handed is a story-telling technique that almost never serves a film well, imho.
But that's the film, not its subject.
I am convinced that every story can be told compellingly and entertainingly regardless of any potential controversies.
I think what I'm saying is that art doesn't need to be "right" it just needs to be "good". Of course there are limits in what you can sell people as entertainment but perhaps not as much as we like to think. MYSTERIOUS SKIN tells its (unfortunately) well-known story in a very surprising way and for the most part is devoid of heavy-handedness.
However, the story sounds rather predictable and one sided
But how can it not be one-sided if it focuses on that particular topic? And does one-sided inevitably mean single-sided i.e. there's no room for alternative versions?
I often read online comments like "this film could not be made today" and I ususally find that a hollow and populist remark but maybe there's some truth in it.
The whole process of creating art and entertainment has become so very interactive that the piece of art or entertainment is overshadowed by the opinions thereof, and I think there's something very sad about that.
I'm not saying that people ought to be quiet and accept everything that's been thrown at them - if anything, life would be less exciting without discussions - but I don't think it's mandatory to put everything under a magnifying glass to discover if someone has done something "wrong".

And it's really funny how this all connects with wokeness (or our idea thereof) because "they" are objecting to society's one-sidedness and demand a more all-inclusive model, which in turn boosted a lot of backlash.
To say that ADOLESCENCE is one-sided suggests that it should include all points of view just to make sure that it satisfies everybody. Does that mean that anti-woke is the new woke?
 
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