"All the way from Great Portland Street"... It's the Kenneth Williams thread!

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I thought you might appreciate the Carry On link :spinning:

I just wish i was born 20 years earlier and could have seen them on stage!

PS used to buy Look in on an ad hoc basis, preferred Fab 208!
 

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I thought you might appreciate the Carry On link :spinning:

Oh - you know me too well, BF. ;)



I just wish i was born 20 years earlier and could have seen them on stage!

How amazing would that have been.



PS used to buy Look in on an ad hoc basis, preferred Fab 208!

Oh - Fab 208 was the cooler choice, I'm sure. I missed out on the Seventies Look-Ins with the gorgeous cover art, but I bought it religiously for a time in the mid-Eighties. Bet some of them would be worth a fortune if I'd kept them.
 

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If i only knew in the future that i could make a killing selling all the magazines i bought in the past Id be rich!

Oh, same here. There are some magazines I couldn't part with as I'm too attached sentimentally, but I look back and think if only I'd bought another copy: one to read and one to keep. But it wasn't really doable on pocket money. :D
 

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Oh, same here. There are some magazines I couldn't past with as I'm too attached sentimentally, but I look back and think if only I'd bought another copy: one to read and one to keep. But it wasn't really doable on pocket money. :D
When i started work I sometimes bought 10 copies of Woman , Womans own or National Enquirer in particular so I could cut out articles and could put them in the Dallas general enveloppe and then a copy each to Larry, Linda, Victoria, Patrick, Barbara, Howard, Charlene etc or whoever was in it! That was in the days before a blue bin!!!!

I often bought 2 copies of a magazine - one to snip and one to keep! Now I think - I shouldnt have!!
 

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When i started work I sometimes bought 10 copies of Woman , Womans own or National Enquirer in particular so I could cut out articles and could put them in the Dallas general enveloppe and then a copy each to Larry, Linda, Victoria, Patrick, Barbara, Howard, Charlene etc or whoever was in it!

Wow. That's real dedication to the cause. And I'm sure it delighted the cast members as well.

That was in the days before a blue bin!!!!

Oh yikes. Well at least the gulls would have been able to read the agony pages while looking for food on landfill sites. :D
 

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This was in my fav monthly magazine which i bought yesterday - thought of you @Mel O'Drama

Oh marvellous BF. Kenny W. and Joe's relationship is fascinating because their outlooks were so different (which the article fleshes out really well).

I "know" Joe mostly through Ken's diary entries and the brilliant film version of Prick Up Your Ears. I hope to read more about him and explore more of his work at some point. I'm sure Joe's diaries make for fascinating reading.
 

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YouTube suggested a few Kenneth Williams for me this evening. I love this appearance on Aspel.




Dennis Taylor seems to be really enjoying watching Kenny in full flow. And Loretta Switt seems fascinated. Talk about a culture clash. She gives him a really long hug at the very end and seems to really like him from the look on her face. It's really quite sweet.​
 

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YouTube suggested a few Kenneth Williams for me this evening. I love this appearance on Aspel.

Presumably off the back of my current viewing of Give Us A Clue, it's suggesting a few of Kenny's appearances with Aspel's Give Us A Clue successor, Michael Parkinson.

While there have been numerous clips over the years, it's a rare treat to find lengthy, more in-depth interviews with Kenneth which allow him to go into full raconteur mode, but that's just what some of these are. It's wonderful to see him in full flight without the constraints of a brief ten minute slot (he does have to be stopped for the adverts, but that's fine).


This one feels rather like a warm up for An Audience With Kenneth Williams, since there's a chronology to it which covers much of his background. While some of the stories are familiar, there are also some new titbits. His constant sense of immediacy makes even the familiar feel fresh and captivating.

In Give Us A Clue, I've been increasingly irritated by Parky as a chairman, where I find him controlling and patronising. Parky as an interviewer is another matter, and he seems to be genuinely enjoying Kenneth here.



Looking at KW's Diaries, he'd left England on Monday, 15 June 1981, stopping over at Singapore on 16th then arriving in Sydney at 6am on the 17th. He flew back on Monday, 29 June .


Here's what he wrote about this appearance in his diary:


Thursday, 18 June 1981
With Michael P. to the Yellow Room Restaurant. He's v. likeable and patient & I'm afraid I went on a bit but he bore it all with sympathy. I know why I'm on edge: I feel I've got to prove myself and that can only be done by doing a good show with him; in the back of my mind lurks the horrible suspicion that (out here) I may not work in same way as I do in London.


Saturday, 20 June 1981
Car to the studios. Met Marti Caine and Colleen McCullough who are on the show. Did a run-through, etc. & got made ups then there was that awful wait while you watch the others doing their stuff & I went on eventually. We talked about joining the army (medical, etc.), audition in Singapore, Barri Chatt (never got to the Serg. Major & suicided bit) & then on to Carry Ons & then to Orson Welles & Moby Dick & finished singing 'Ballad of the Woggler's Moolie'. Everyone was very kind afterwards & said it was good tho' I felt their energy ebbed after Marti Caine (who went v. well indeed) and the author (who was fair). Still, at least I didn't die the death... but I noticed that the Australian audience reacted quite differently to an English one... the laughs are in different places.



Tuesday, 23 June 1981
Richard [Lyle] came & took me to Butler's for lunch & an English lady who owned it said "Your Parkinson show was fine for the English there, but the Australians didn't get a lot of it.
 

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Thanks for posting Kenneth Williams

A great guest on any chat show
 

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And here's the second of those Australian Parkinson appearances, recorded during the same trip...


KW's thoughts on this appearance:

Friday, 26 June 1981
Car came & drove me to TV studios. I went on first this time & I think it was better. The only longueur was during the Hancock thing but then the subject (his death out here, etc.) was sombre. Then there was a singer called Tom English, then Jack Absalom who is a painter and authority on the bush country. M.P. gave me the microphone & I chatted (after the show) to the audience & thanked them for creating such a pleasant atmosphere. They paid to get me out here & I feel I've acquitted myself creditably but it's all been a bit too easy.


Saturday, 27 June 1981
Went down to b'fast where Jack Absalom buttonholed me & went on & on! 'What Mike needs on his show is not a load of Pommies but a few real characters from the bush country: I could introduce him to dozens of wonderful characters... people who say of their kids "I good him" and so forth - it'd be wonderful! That's what people want to hear!'







A great guest on any chat show

Isn't he just, BF. He's endlessly fascinating and watchable.
 

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On the subject of Parky, it seems Kenneth's view of him was typically mercurial:



Friday, 10 December 1971
Laurena Dewar rang. Would I go on Thames Television and chat to Michael Parkinson? I said certainly not. North Country nit.



Tuesday, 19 February 1974
Got to Manchester and we did the two shows which were OK... The first celebrity was Parkinson (I got him) whom I loathe and after him was Jack Warner whom I love.



Saturday, 27 August 1974
In the evening I saw John Wayne in a submarine film which was v. good. He has the capacity for bigness in acting - bigness in every sense: physical and mental. I think this is inseparable from the man himself & it was confirmed when I saw him in real life conversing with Parkinson: it was gratifying to see his generous and amiable nature steadfastly refusing to be provoked by the needling small-mindedness of the interviewer.



Monday, 30 March 1987
I did 'Desert Island Discs' with Michael Parkinson. I told him truthfully 'What a difference doing it with you! That awful Plumb Leigh [Roy Plomley] was dreadful, so oleaginous!' I get on fine with M.P. 'cos he's direct and honest & lets you become uninhibited.
 

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So @All Hallows' Drama - Did he like Parky or not! :confuse:

Thanks for posting, might need to dig out his books again

but Im wading through Michael Palin at present lol
 

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Found this on Ingrid and featuring Kenneth Williams

That's lovely. So nice to see images which bring it to life.

Of course, I had to look up a few things Kenny wrote in his infamous diaries about the play and Ingrid:



Wednesday, 21 October 1970
To Lord North Street and I met Binkie, who introduced me to Ingrid Bergman. She was charming and lovely... Ingrid told an incredible story about Lewis Milestone and Joan Crawford, the [former] picking out a v. handsome extra and saying 'Miss Crawford, here is your flatterer. This man will be engaged to tell you how wonderful you are in every scene we shoot.'


Monday, 4 January 1971
There was a dreary read thro' which showed how awful they all were, except for Ingrid, Gibby [James Gibson] and the American captain.


Tuesday, 19 January 1971
I got to the theatre at 10 o'c. - the Palace - and we rehearsed Act II. Frith admitted he was 'a little worried' about Ingrid going to so many theatres at night (she went to see Lulu at the Apollo last night) and not learning her lines.


Friday, 22 January 1971
Run-through of the play. Ingrid stumbled through it. She hasn't taken hold of a scene once... It's a lady with a foreign accent who doesn't know the script very well.


Monday, 1 February 1971. Brighton
I got a small round of applause on the entrance which embarrassed me 'cos it ruins the delivery of the lines... The concluding duologue with Ingrid & Joss got rather bogged down 'cos she lost the lines, but the applause at the end was very good indeed.


Monday, 15 February 1971. London
The D/rehearsal at the Cambridge was farcical. There were loads of photographers in the stalls and it was impossible to work seriously under such conditions so I got the giggles and larked about the whole time, winking at Ingrid & Joss and sending up Gibby who was appalling on the lines.


Thursday, 18 February 1971
Binkie on the telephone. Would I please attend rehearsal today to keep Ingrid in the theatre. She's been sick all night - it is probably nerves, they all think. Got to the theatre to find the room full of presents and - most prized of all, a note from Ingrid: 'Be my next director - feed out of your hand, I would...' The show went through competently and at the end there were nine curtains and Ingrid had to take 3 solo calls. The house obviously adored her, and rightly so.


Wednesday, 24 February 1971
Ingrid is still doing some lines well and some lines badly... it is because the lack of stage technique makes her unable to sustain moments, or comedy effects... Nevertheless, I adore this woman and will forgive everything from someone who has her sweetness, radiance and generosity of spirit and who packs the theatre as she does. It is really marvellous to play such houses.


Friday, 30 April 1971
On my entrance with the chair in Act I, I was late - about 5 seconds - and Bergman was furious. When she came off I said 'I apologise for being late...' and she was graceless and said 'I don't speak your language so I can't extemporise.' I thought she was quite horrid about it - it's the only time it has happened in the run and I am doing several other jobs... Walked home depressed thro' the streets.


Tuesday, 11 May 1971
Walked to Le Cheminant with Louie and ordered a silver salver to be inscribed: 'Presented to Miss Ingrid Bergman on the occasion of the 100th performance of Captain Brassbounds Conversion at the Cambridge Theatre, London, 17.5.71, with the admiration and affection of the cast.' They said they can have it ready by Friday and I certainly hope so.


Monday, 17 May 1971
Tom & I went to the party and I gave Ingrid the engraved salver, and made a speech and the press took the photographs. Ingrid said 'Nothing like this has happened to me... I shall treasure it...' but she left the party very early 'cos she said there was no air in the place.


Thursday, 20 May 1971
Evening show OK and after!!! - I went up to see Sir Noël Coward in Ingrid's room... He was adorable and said my performance was very good... When he'd gone I said to Ingrid 'It's been a beautiful evening and you have made it all possible... you don't realise how much warmth, delight and love you bring into a room with you...' Walked home thanking God for bringing all my dreams to fruition... couldn't sleep for excitement.


Friday, 11 June 1971
I should think Bergman is the best person I've ever met who is an International Star. I said to her in the wings 'You are being splendid tonight' & she said 'Yes, I'm in good voice too.' I said 'Yes, but the entrance was superb! So grand, so composed... utterly serene' and she replied 'Well, you know about actors - you can't just switch it on - some nights it all just goes right...' It is true.


Tuesday, 15 June 1971
Called on Domenic at the Garden to arrange the dinner tonight for Ingrid & Gordon [Jackson] & Louie & me, at the Grange, in the far room. Gordon was absolutely marvellous because he knew about all her films, right from Intermezzo. I said to her on the way out 'You are the best person I have worked with ever...' and she replied "Oh! my dear, there will be others... many others.'


Saturday, 31 July 1971
The second house was packed and v. enthusiastic. Ingrid came into the wings and was very affectionate, put her arms around me, and said 'So, at last, my dear! To think I stood here and wished you luck half a year ago!' It appeared in the papers tonight that she has broken all records for a limited season in London by taking £250,000 in 6 months... [T]his poor old creaking and rickety affair, which was greeted with hostility by the press and grudgingly by a lot of people in our profession has proved a wild success commercially and entertained a lot of people.
 

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And on this, Kenny wrote:

Wednesday, 3 December 1980
Today I went to BBC TV Centre for 'Tomorrow's World', and it was a hell of a day: beginning with exercises in track suits on apparatus, then the Dinner Table scene & the eating of synthetic foods, and then me demonstrating the watch which gets its energy from body heat on the wrist.




What a great find, RC. I don't think I've seen it before.
 

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I always got the feeling Kenneth was a little bit in love with Ingrid

I know there is also one bit in his book where he went round to her flat and she was cleaning her windows!

Thanks for posting - I will need to dig out my KW diaries once ive finished with Miriam!
 

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I always got the feeling Kenneth was a little bit in love with Ingrid

He was certainly a big admirer of hers. Oh, to have been a fly on the wall for some of their chats.



I know there is also one bit in his book where he went round to her flat and she was cleaning her windows!

Oh yes - that rings a bell.



I will need to dig out my KW diaries once ive finished with Miriam!

Oh wonderful. I hope you're enjoying it. That's reminded me I have Part 2 of Miriam's new documentary series lined up to watch, hopefully over the weekend.
 
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