Another Reason Why Dallas Had Such A Big Audience

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I've seen bits and pieces of soap operas - the daytime ones - and it was my impression that they were aimed primarily at a female audience. That makes sense because they aired at time of day when most men were at work and in an era when there were more stay-at-home mothers than now.

Was Dallas the only primetime 80s soap that appealed equally to men and women? If it was, it helps explain why Dallas attracted such a huge audience.
 

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I've seen bits and pieces of soap operas - the daytime ones - and it was my impression that they were aimed primarily at a female audience. That makes sense because they aired at time of day when most men were at work and in an era when there were more stay-at-home mothers than now.

Was Dallas the only primetime 80s soap that appealed equally to men and women? If it was, it helps explain why Dallas attracted such a huge audience.
Most soaps seem to be directed at women's supposed fantasies. DYNASTY's producers openly admitted to it, which was both a strength and a weakness of that show.

DALLAS was unusual in that it was more male-driven -- but I'd argue that the women were just as interesting (as the underkitten's story usually is) even if they were sometimes a wee bit too oppressed at times even by the show …. and I don't mean Sue Ellen, whose self-destructiveness and alcoolism were simply who the character was, but Pam (when she was living at Southfork) and Miss Ellie (most of the time).

But DALLAS' best years saw a healthy balance in power between the genders without getting too self-consciously feministicky about it. And that gave the show a life globally, placing it above most silly woman-flattering soap operas.

Yes, KNOTS LANDING was women-dominated, but the writing didn't diminish either sex. So it, too, struck a balance.

Not surprisingly, DYNASTY's best years (S1, S2 and S9) also struck a healthy gender balance. But its increasingly dumbest years, (S3 thru S8) saw, instead of cogent plotting, endless scenes of jealousy, vanity, pointless cattiness, and gushing compliments for the women --- and sometimes the feminized men (but not much) in billowy shirts (yet somehow not enough) like some video Harlequin Romance wannabe that doesn't quite come off.

There are bad writers both male and female, naturally, but I have to wonder if DYNASTY had too many women running it. I mean, there are things women tend to be focused on (eg, social status) while men somewhat less so. (Yes, yes, I know there are plenty of men who are status-driven, too, but it doesn't always get in the way of their spinning a competent narrative yarn).

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DALLAS was unusual in that it was more male-driven -- but I'd argue that the women were just as interesting (as the underkitten's story usually is) even if they were sometimes a wee bit too oppressed at times even by the show …. and I don't mean Sue Ellen, whose self-destructiveness and alcoolism were simply who the character was, but Pam (when she was living at Southfork) and Miss Ellie (most of the time).

But DALLAS' best years saw a healthy balance in power between the genders without getting too self-consciously feministicky about it. And that gave the show a life globally, placing it above most silly woman-flattering soap operas.

When I say Dallas appealed to men and women I mean the subject matter, the stories and the characters appealed to both men and women.
 

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Dallas was really a show about men.

Yes, it had a strong female following too but in it's most basic form the show was aimed at a male demographic.

I think that's partly why the show was so successful. :)
 

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Dallas had a great cast, many iconic roles and breath-taking locations.

The major difference to any other TV production was the writing. It was just smart, intelligent, it dared the audience to use their brains. The small details, the subtle reactions, the feeling of a saga was different and is different till this day.

Here is an example when Ray turned out to be a Ewing:
All these subtle reactions, no explanation, no words necessary.

In the weak later seasons the writing detoriated to a level of daytime soaps. If something happened, everything needed to be spoken out and to be frequently repeated for several episodes so that every casual viewer could tune in. Now you could miss an episode easily without losing track. It's just bad and unfortunately a standard for most of TV's landscape which is intended for a less intelligent audience.

Here's an example when James turned out to be JR's son. Everything needed to be spoken out slowly, no own thinking or observation necessary anymore.

For me that's the huge difference between Dallas (early years) and the rest.
 
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had Sue Ellen used the phone shortly before she entered the room? I noticed she was doing her trademark earring fixing.
I'm thinking the interior walls at Southfork are paper thin and she heard Jock and Miss Ellie discussing Ray's paternity before the family meeting. She raced downstairs and made an appointment with Dr Ellby.
 

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I think we'd all agree DALLAS was helped in large by its cast, stories, and the fact that TV hadn't produced anything to its stature before. It became a definitive TV program and prototype for the night-time serial.

J.R. Ewing is one of TV's best villains and most recognizable characters.

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So successful was DALLAS that CBS tried to spawn the same success with KNOTS LANDING and FALCON CREST, and ABC gave us DYNASTY, which was really the only threat DALLAS ever had, ratings-wise at least. NBC never really "got" the night-time soap opera thing done right because FLAMINGO ROAD didn't catch on.​
 

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You can't help but love the cast of the original five part mini series.

It's my firm belief that the show wouldn't have lasted without the great cast of actors the show had.

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The great Jim Davis as Jock and Barbara Bel Geddes as Miss Ellie. Patrick Duffy as Bobby and Victoria Principal as Pam. Larry Hagman as JR and Linda Gray as Sue Ellen. Charlene Tilton as Lucy. Such an iconic cast and my firm belief that the success of the show was also down to how we loved to watch these actors on the show. :)
 

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You can't help but love the cast of the original five part mini series.

It's my firm belief that the show wouldn't have lasted without the great cast of actors the show had.

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The great Jim Davis as Jock and Barbara Bel Geddes as Miss Ellie. Patrick Duffy as Bobby and Victoria Principal as Pam. Larry Hagman as JR and Linda Gray as Sue Ellen. Charlene Tilton as Lucy. Such an iconic cast and my firm belief that the success of the show was also down to how we loved to watch these actors on the show. :)
The actors carried DALLAS (as do actors of many shows) when the writing sometimes got weak (even in the peak years) or when the show itself was running out of steam.

People stuck it out because they had gotten close to J.R., Bobby, Sue Ellen, and Pam. The seasons without those four at the focal point don't work. Of course, J.R. was always around, but when Bobby was dead, Pam bailed, and Sue Ellen left with a filmmaker, he didn't have that original core to push against.

DALLAS had a very good cast, and not just a cast of "names", but a good cast of good actors. Where DYNASTY and FALCON CREST focused a little more on drawing big names to play roles on their show, I'd say DALLAS focused more on the talent said actors brought with them.​
 

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The actors carried DALLAS (as do actors of many shows) when the writing sometimes got weak (even in the peak years) or when the show itself was running out of steam.

People stuck it out because they had gotten close to J.R., Bobby, Sue Ellen, and Pam. The seasons without those four at the focal point don't work. Of course, J.R. was always around, but when Bobby was dead, Pam bailed, and Sue Ellen left with a filmmaker, he didn't have that original core to push against.

DALLAS had a very good cast, and not just a cast of "names", but a good cast of good actors. Where DYNASTY and FALCON CREST focused a little more on drawing big names to play roles on their show, I'd say DALLAS focused more on the talent said actors brought with them.​
Yeah you're so right. There were quite a few talented actors on Dallas and some of them weren't even in the title sequence during the actual mini-series. Primarily I mean the late Ken Kercheval as Cliff Barnes, one of the most talented actors on the show. Even some of the shows guest stars had oodles of talent, Morgan Brittany as Katherine, William Smithers as Jeremy Wendell and of course Howard Keel as Clayton who went on to become a regular along with the lovely Susan Howard as Donna. Dallas even had Brad Pitt as Charlies boyfriend Randy and look how a talented actor he turned out. :)
 

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Yeah you're so right. There were quite a few talented actors on Dallas and some of them weren't even in the title sequence during the actual mini-series. Primarily I mean the late Ken Kercheval as Cliff Barnes, one of the most talented actors on the show. Even some of the shows guest stars had oodles of talent, Morgan Brittany as Katherine, William Smithers as Jeremy Wendell and of course Howard Keel as Clayton who went on to become a regular along with the lovely Susan Howard as Donna. Dallas even had Brad Pitt as Charlies boyfriend Randy and look how a talented actor he turned out. :)
Linda Gray wasn't mentioned in the credits for the original miniseries either. She wasn't added to the opening until CBS picked it up as a full-time series.​
 
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