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Well I have a bit of catching up on you @Mel O'Drama - I have progressed onto 2nd disc

have one question ....................What on earth is it with the woman crocheting before an epiosde starts and doing some voice over???????????????????????????

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I have also decided that Vera Downend aka Zeph Gladstone reminds me a little of Denise Black who played Kens girlfriend in Corrie as Denise Osbourne

I also discovered that Roger Tonge's real life girlfriend was Sonia Fox who played Sheila Harvey
 

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It seems the wedding never happened since I’ve skipped a few episodes and haven’t seen or heard of Sandy’s former fiancée in the last twenty plus consecutive episodes.
If the episodes don't exist, from memory I can tell you what happened regarding Sandy's wedding:

They never got married because they couldn't agree on whether she should continue working after their wedding (her preference) or give up work (Sandy's chauvinistic preference). Sandy initially relented but when she started doing really well at work (I think she was promoted or something) and started putting her career before their relationship, Sandy called the wedding off.

The aforementioned American chap is a psychiatrist and published author. Tish just happens to own a copy of his book, with handy portrait on the cover so she can put the pieces together. Me? I’m just delighted to have Tish doing anything at all. I’m not sure if he is played by an American or not (I’m guessing not, but I can’t remember his name and can’t be bothered to look it up), but he reminds me a lot of Stan Lee, exuding the same confident, avuncular energy.
The Stan Lee lookalike psychiatrist was Lloyd Monroe and I'm pretty sure the actor playing him was American because I remember him being interviewed on TV and he spoke with the same accent he had in Crossroads (unless he was a method actor and stayed in character all the time).

Reading what you have said about missing episodes is disappointing because Lloyd plays a small but significant part in 2 of my favourite Crossroads storylines so I hope those episodes still exist and are part of the DVD collection.
 
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Yes, apparently the first John Bentley, who'd played Hugh on and off since the sixties, knew that he was being killed off for good was when his fatal heart attack was mentioned on screen!

The brutal, cutthroat world of Xrds strikes again.



Well I have a bit of catching up on you @Mel O'Drama - I have progressed onto 2nd disc

Ha ha. I plan to watch a lot less over the next couple of weeks as I'm in danger of overdosing and ending up with Xrds poisoning. What a way to go that would be!



have one question ....................What on earth is it with the woman crocheting before an epiosde starts and doing some voice over???????????????????????????

:giggle:

It's just bizarre. And she wasn't just a one-off, either.



I have also decided that Vera Downend aka Zeph Gladstone reminds me a little of Denise Black who played Kens girlfriend in Corrie as Denise Osbourne

Ooh - someone else said that to very thing to me last week as we were watching.



I also discovered that Roger Tonge's real life girlfriend was Sonia Fox who played Sheila Harvey

Well that puts a new spin on things. I'm trying to think back over their scenes together but none are springing to mind even though I'm sure there must be a couple of significant ones.





They never got married because they couldn't agree on whether she should continue working after their wedding (her preference) or give up work (Sandy's chauvinistic preference). Sandy initially relented but when she started doing really well at work (I think she was promoted or something) and started putting her career before their relationship, Sandy called the wedding off.

Aha - Sandy wanting her to quit work after their marriage was featured in a couple of episodes so I'd wondered if that had anything to do with it.

At first Sandy's attitude surprised me and seemed almost out of character since he's very independent and continuing work was important to him after his accident. But then - just before someone said it out loud - I realised that that's the very reason he felt this way. He wanted to be independent enough to support her. Last time they were seen together they seemed to be moving towards an understanding, so thanks for filling in the gaps.



The Stan Lee lookalike psychiatrist was Lloyd Monroe and I'm pretty sure the actor playing him was American because I remember him being interviewed on TV and he spoke with the same accent he had in Crossroads (unless he was a method actor and stayed in character all the time).

Thanks again. One of these days I might root around and actually look up what else he's been in.





Reading what you have said about missing episodes is disappointing because Lloyd plays a small but significant part in 2 of my favourite Crossroads storylines so I hope those episodes still exist and are part of the DVD collection.

I've moved on a bit from when the gaps were happening and, if I remember correctly, Lloyd's arrival coincides with the start of the consecutive episodes. I haven't noticed any gaps in episodes coming up so there's probably a good chance those storylines will have survived and appear on the discs.
 

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Well I have made it to disc 4 and must confess I have no idea how this motel is in any way connected to this Georgian house with it's little plaster work alcoves. Is there a great bloody 1960s motel block just attached on to the house? Is there a door behind reception somewhere that takes us into Meg's living room? How the hell does it make sense. And why do the establishing shots of the the motel look nothing like a motel? it's baffling me.

Vera does indeed remind me of Denise from Corrie! Weirdly she randomly had totally different hair in one episode and I can't decide if that was a wig or if she wears a wig all the time and it was off getting reset that day so she had to just tape the show with her real hair. There's a lot of wiggery going on at Crossroads. Big thick helmutty wigs. This Italian actress who's pawing all over David is doing the most in an ebony Joan Collins style number. I have been most fascinated by Diane's ongoing hair journey, but to be fair I have enjoyed the hair-evolution of most of the cast.
The snooty redhead who's always hanging around reception and talking about the manor house has some very quaffed concoctions on her head. I can't remember her name now... Mrs Something or other. :) Jill's array of 70s shag cuts gave me all kinds of shits and giggles while she was working at the Salon. Her almost assassination by hood dryer caught me completely unawares, much like Jill herself.

I think the actor playing Wilf is God Awful! Shocking really. And Jane is like Sue Pollard on Hi-Di-Hi! If Sue Pollard didn't have a personality.

It's a really bonkers show isn't? It's very much removed from reality in a way that other British soaps don't tend to be. Like Crossroads has it's own rules. The accents are killing me! You have all these plummy posh actors turning up, mostly in Meg's living room though. And it's like what are you people doing here. Why are you in a motel in the Midlands? Then the Mrs Overall types in polyester uniforms.

Also can someone answer me this? Is Vera living on a boat?
 

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Is there a great bloody 1960s motel block just attached on to the house? Is there a door behind reception somewhere that takes us into Meg's living room? How the hell does it make sense.

The floorplan has confused me more than once, but yes: I think it's pretty much attached to the old house. According to the story, it was Meg's home pretty much forever, then opened as a motel when the motorway was built around it a year before the series began, which was probably when the 1960s block was built.



Vera does indeed remind me of Denise from Corrie!

She reminds me more than a little of Alma as well (something that's later reinforced by a brief screen partnership).



Her almost assassination by hood dryer caught me completely unawares

It's very 'Fiona vs. The Vacuum Cleaner" isn't it?



I think the actor playing Wilf is God Awful!

Ha ha - I commented about his lack of range. All the same I find him very endearing and likeable and I'm glad he was there.


Jane is like Sue Pollard on Hi-Di-Hi! If Sue Pollard didn't have a personality.

Oh, Jane's a favourite of mine. I love that she's one of those rare soap characters who seem to find drama a turn-off and want everyone to get along. But I also like her plain speaking and directness in response to others. She has her moral compass and she sticks by it. I doubt she'd last very long in something like 21st Century Emmerdale, Corrie or Hollyoaks, and that's a shame.



Also can someone answer me this? Is Vera living on a boat?

She is indeed. There are some establishing shots occasionally, but I think a little way down the line. From what I understand, the boat is owned by the Harveys, which makes sense considering their house is right by the canal.
 

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One of these days I might root around and actually look up what else he's been in.
I'm currently watching the 1960s series Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) and by one of those strange coincidences, who should turn up in the episode I watched last night but none other than "Lloyd Monroe" playing an American businessman:

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Well re Disc 2
My thoughts are

Amy Turtle was pretty awful as an actress and one of lifes moaners - Dont mind Wilf too much @Alexis


David Hunters Teddy bear looking fur coat and the sideburns

Im enjoying the 70s fashions and Jill and Dianes hair styles
Big thick helmutty wigs.

OMG- Mrs Loomis, fraid I dont recall her when i was little but that hair do and those black eyebrows - helmut hair isnt the word -
 

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16 August - 14 September 1978

2995 - 3012



The aftermath of Diane’s ordeal went on a couple of episodes longer than I’d have expected. Usually with these things, once the person is taken away that’s that, barring a perfunctory reference or two in the following episode. Following Tom Clegg being carted off, Xrds pressed on, reviewing the situation and showing us various characters’ responses.

What’s more, from a 21st Century viewpoint, the writing around his character is almost shockingly balanced. It is quite certain that a man terrorising a woman (especially a wheel on male guest terrorising an established character) would not be permitted to be discussed in a way that is at times compassionate and concerned.

As with many series portraying some kind of “issue”, both sides of the argument are put forth. Primarily, Police Constable Steve Cater is Devil’s Advocate, his detached analysis of the situation objectifying and pathologising the criminal as one who essentially needs locking up. The compassion comes from seeing things through Diane’s eyes. She feels her would-be captor is misunderstood and deserves a fair hearing, even going so far as saying she will speak up for him in court, should it come to that, saying that he didn’t lay a finger on her. Stockholm Syndrome is never mentioned (this is 1978, after all), and one is left feeling that Diane’s comments come from a place of free will and experience.

Because Diane is the character we know best, and Steve Cater a relative stranger, one can’t help seeing things a little more from her perspective and, as stated, it’s not the view one would expect to be spoon fed.

What’s more, the offender returns to check out of the motel and has a chat with Diane apologising. Even though he tells her he’s been in this situation before with more devastating consequences (it’s heavily implied he’s a serial rapist), he ends up coming across as a rather pathetic creature. When Diane later sadly reflects that he needs help, it feels truthful and accurate.

Should this situation be presented in this same way in 21st Century television, I can’t help feeling there would be outrage about a toxic male being humanised in such a way, and cries for a more acceptable, more politically correct, more black and white presentation to be made. Me - I’ll take the Xrds version with its messed up characters responding to a tragic situation in a way that’s incredibly human, compassionate and flawed.

With Constable Steve Cater’s arrival, crime is suddenly everywhere in Xrds. Indeed, he spends more time at the motel than most of the regulars. So much time that it feels as though he’s the property’s private PC. From drunk and disorderlies to car thefts. And if he’s not there he’s at the flat wooing Diane. It’s certain he can have no time at all for preventing crime anywhere else.

Many of the criminal stories end up tying together and can be associated with one loveable rogue: Diane’s brother Terry Lawton. Landing to crash on her couch as an uninvited guest, he’s gone from one blag to another.

One of these came about when the long-absent Vera sent Diane a bottle of exotic perfume (called something like Mandongle) from Acapulco where she’s now living (oh, how these continued references must have added insult to injury for poor Zeph Gladstone).

Terry wasted on time in stealing the bottle and giving it to his slutty date for a party at the motel (where else?). He then fed Jane a line about having no choice because he’d only just found out it was his date’s 18th birthday. Jane then relayed the message to Diane, trying to soften the blow by pointing out that an 18th birthday is an important time as it was her coming out. Diane’s response:
Diane said:
The only thing she was coming out of was that dress. And it’s many a year since that one saw eighteen!

This isn’t the only quip she’s let flown in recent episodes, and I’m very much enjoying this side of her character. She was similarly cutting when Terry disappeared and left her a note and a present. As he couldn’t afford to replace the perfume, he’d left a bar of soap. Diane took in the fragrance and sarcastically declared:
Diane said:
Essence of carbolic.

It also emerged that Terry was the one who had stolen David Hunter’s Rover 3.5, which turned up reeking of Mandongle and takeaway curry.

Over at the farm, schemers George (an Alf Stewart lookalike) and Linda (his skanky lover) have infiltrated the place and are trying to buy their way in, much to the chagrin of Benny and Doris.

What’s working particularly well about this story is how isolated Benny, Doris and “Gaffer” Ed Lawton are. Each of them is looking at things in a very different way.

George and Linda’s bullying of Benny feels surprisingly truthful. As with a lot of bullying, it hides behind a mask of good humour and disingenuous friendliness. They’re sending mixed messages by encouraging him to do things that they know will cause him to lose face, and in those moments when they’re alone with him they cut loose a bit more, knowing that he’s too good-hearted to either recognise or acknowledge what they’re doing.

Benny and Ed in particular are now worlds apart: Benny smiles through and says he’s OK. Ed willingly believes him because it’s convenient for him to do so. Doris - the only one of the three who can see the big picture - is making protests which fall on deaf ears.

This has given Kathy Staff some winning moments. Doris’s protectiveness towards Benny has given scene of her reading Ed the riot act for not looking after Benny’s interests, and she’s even given Linda a soapy slap in the face during their confrontation. Again, I’m feeling surprisingly invested in the story and glad to be so.

Even the loyalty between George and Linda is rather ropey, as proved when George was quick to respond to Mrs Bailey’s seduction in the Xrds foyer.

Mrs Bailey’s story is the most bizarre thing in current Xrds, which is quite some feat. She’s had some kind of breakdown over her husband wanting to divorce her and is behaving erratically, apparently suffering from some personality disorder. First was some kind of elaborate suicide attempt where she stopped taking her insulin and hid her diabetic medical card.

Then there was a curious scene where she sat in the hotel foyer, glaring at Sandy and - without saying a word - simply flicked a metal ashtray off the table so that it went flying into the middle of the floor. Neither one of them acknowledged it and the scene simply continued as though it hadn’t happened.

She’s also been monologuing in the foyer, not least the scene where she ripped her divorce papers in two and started speaking AT Meg. She also demanded Jane order her a curious drink made of vegetables and various colours. This is even more curious when one considers her seduction of George. After taking him back to her cabin, giving him a drink, unbuttoning his shirt and kissing him, she then sent him packing. This gave her a winning line in a post credits scene. After George demanded an explanation for her outrageous behaviour she melodramatically purred in a stilted tone that suggested great meaning:

Mrs Bailey said:
I’m allergic to the smell of vegetables.

This is one of those moments where you had to be there, but it’s been quite a while since I’ve laughed this hard.
 

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I'm currently watching the 1960s series Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) and by one of those strange coincidences, who should turn up in the episode I watched last night but none other than "Lloyd Monroe" playing an American businessman

What are the chances?

By the way, who's that in the image with him? He looks familiar but I'm not sure if it's because he looks a little like Ted Dinard from Dynasty.


Looking it up, it seems Alan Gifford was born in Massachusetts but acted mainly in British productions (he died in Scotland). 2001: A Space Odyssey seems to be his best-known work, but it turns out I'd have watched him in Carry On Cowboy (which makes sense with that film being set in North America) and I recently* watched him in No Kidding - another team with many of the Carry On gang which starred Leslie Phillips.



* Actually, not that recently. It feels like a few months ago but I've just looked it up in the Last Film thread and I watched it in 2017!!





Amy Turtle was pretty awful as an actress and one of lifes moaners

I really liked Amy and it took me quite a while to adjust to her not being there after she left.
 

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By the way, who's that in the image with him? He looks familiar but I'm not sure if it's because he looks a little like Ted Dinard from Dynasty.
It's Mike Pratt who played Jeff Randall in the series. It's a great series and he's so good in it.

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As well as an actor he wrote songs including the Tommy Steele hit Little White Bull.

One of the great things about watching Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased), and you are probably finding it with Crossroads, is that actors who have gone on to bigger and better roles often pop up in the show before they achieved wider recognition. In a recent episode I watched, David Jason appeared in a small role and in the episode I watched today Peter Jones (star of The Rag Trade, not the guy from Dragon's Den) and Keith Barron made an appearance.

Annette Andre, who was the third star of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) appeared in very good Crossroads storyline, I think in the 1980s.
 
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Oh, I forgot to mention how nice it is that both Shughie McFee and Bernard Booth returned just in time for the 3000th episode. It's good to have a couple of returnees and Bernard in particular is very welcome.

The big surprise is that there's now a young, glamorous Mrs Booth. Naturally, she's efficient as well as charming and nubile. She strikes me as young Joanna Lumley meets young Rebecca Gilling with a touch of one of the second-tier Carry On girls (think Penny Irving).

In a sign of the times, Bernard - having returned from his time in North Africa- is creating a scandal by expanding the motel menu to include foods he's discovered. And so we have dishes and ingredients as exotic as lasagne(!) and oregano(!). David Hunter is amused at the very concept of these alien foodstuffs, while Shughie McFee is horrified and points out that lasagne will never be accepted by more than a handful of Brits.


It's Mike Pratt who played Jeff Randall in the series. It's a great series and he's so good in it.

Oh, of course.



One of the great things about watching Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased), and you are probably finding it with Crossroads, is that actors who have gone on to bigger and better roles often pop up in the show before they achieved wider recognition. In a recent episode I watched, David Jason appeared in a small role and in the episode I watched today Peter Jones (star of The Rag Trade, not the guy from Dragon's Den) and Keith Barron made an appearance.

Yes, that's always fun with these series. Keith Barron was in a few episodes of Upstairs Downstairs and when I watched recently I thought he was a surprisingly good straight actor. Peter Jones is best known to me from Just A Minute. In fact for a long time after getting to know his voice I still didn't know what he looked like (I always pictured him looking like Mr Grainger from Are You Being Served?, but that's just because he sounds so much like him.
 

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Ive got to the episodes where Meg and Sandy visit the guy in the wheelchair and his mum is showing them round their adapted home

Have to say when she showed them the hoist - it should always be a 2 people affair and its only going from a bed to chair, or chair to a commode; its never meant to be used to take people from one room to the next

However full marks for showing this side of being a carer and 10/10 for introducing Crossroads Carers scheme which grew and grew until now is the Carers Trust; that is some legacy and they should be very proud of that

Came across this little gem online

Janet Hargreaves aka Rosemary Hunter talking about the show - and speculating what might have happened to Rosemary


And this one with Carolyn Jones (showing alittle too much cleavage)


both sadly gone now :( x
 

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Have to say when she showed them the hoist - it should always be a 2 people affair and its only going from a bed to chair, or chair to a commode; its never meant to be used to take people from one room to the next
I did wonder about that, and I did laugh at the idea of that little old lady hoisting him all by herself, all over the upstairs and into the bath and then out again all in time for him going off to work.

My Stepdad came in the other night when I was watching it and he was in the kitchen and heard the theme tune. He said he heard it a few times but didn't realise for some time what I was watching. I mean, he knows about Dynasty, and Dallas, and Knots Landing and whatnot, but I think he was pretty surprised and disgusted that I had paid money to watch Crossroads...
 

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All the same, there's an earthy reality to Edward Clayton's restrained, unfussy performance and dishevelled appearance (right down to the greasy hair) that wouldn't seem outof place on early Brookie.
Im getting to some of these episodes now
I rather like Stan and felt he was a good addition to the show and Im loving Diane Hunter and Vera Downend - still trying to work out if her hair is real or a wig!!

The consecutive episodes following Sandy’s accident remain peak Meg for me, and that run of episodes impressed right to the end, culminating as they did in a that highly ambitious scene where Meg - having forgiven Timothy after a dramatic location meeting in Coventry - walked into the Cathedral and up the aisle to have her faith restored. The only distraction came from the old ladies in the back row, clearly there to watch filming, their heads turning to the overhead camera, then to Noele, then back to camera. But they could’t take the power of a highly cinematic moment, creatively up there with anything series were doing at the time.
Enjoyed Meg coming to terms with Sandys accident and enjoyed seeing her in Coventry cathedral - agree re the 2 old ladies - bet they asked for an autograph
Meg / Noele has beautiful diction!! Pity a few now on TV didnt take note!

What did spring to mind at that time was Nativity (with Martin freemanand the kids concert filmed there) kept thinking of the Angel Gabriel bobbing up and down

Other thoughts that spring to mind

Hug Mortimer is a bit cheesy, run to the hills Meg

Jill has some natty hairstyles

I loved the scene where a character called Ronnie did an auditon and went thro a repertoire of....... strangely Rolf Harris .....and also Shirley Bassey, Mick Jagger, Marc Bolan, Elvis, Dusty Springfield and Elvis to name but some - going to his little suitcase to put on the props - it made me :rlol:

And re Hogmanay party, what on earth was Meg wearing? was she on drugs?? That was B R I G H T!! and who would want to eat haggis - not me!!?

Things I remember when i was young ... went to the Winter gardens on hols when we went to my nans in Kent and there was always a summer show - it was a big night out for us all and id put on my best Sunday school type of dress

one year Larry Grayson was the headline act and my Nan shouted out "wheres Noele?"

Another year the Move were in the supporting cast line up with Carl Wayne and ....................guess what My Nan called out.......... Wheres Sue?

My dad always said hed buy her a seat across the aisle from us next year!!

Another thing - i think i must have been about 16 and was on hols in Middx and went on tube into London with my mum and we spotted Sue Hanson in the food hall of Harrods!!
 

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n the latest episodes, Wilf’s gone to visit his dying, estranged brother, looked after by their sister, and by his tarty lover (introduced by close up shots of her arse as she wiggled along the street accompanied by - I kid you not - a Salvation Army Marching Band). To his credit, when introduced, Wilf simply extended his hand and said it was nice to meet her.
That was a very strange scene, wiggling her backside from side to side and the Sally Army band !!!

Its also rather strange seeing Mike Baldwin / Johnnie Briggs at the Crossroads as well as Mr Lucas / Trevor Bannister from Are you being served

One thing i did read was that Crossroads gossip Mrs Whitton played by Jo Richardson died in real life in the 1970s after a swimming accident in the Seychelles
 

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Enjoyed Meg coming to terms with Sandys accident and enjoyed seeing her in Coventry cathedral -

They were terrific and the run of episodes that really took Xrds from an amusing diversion to a series in which I was genuinely invested.


agree re the 2 old ladies - bet they asked for an autograph

Ha ha. Yes - I'm sure you're right.



Hug Mortimer is a bit cheesy, run to the hills Meg

Hugh seems to appear in surprisingly few episodes. He seems to have a bit impact on the stories in his absence though (a bit like Jock Ewing).



I loved the scene where a character called Ronnie did an auditon and went thro a repertoire of....... strangely Rolf Harris .....and also Shirley Bassey, Mick Jagger, Marc Bolan, Elvis, Dusty Springfield and Elvis to name but some - going to his little suitcase to put on the props - it made me :rlol:

Oh yes - that was really something! I laughed out loud as well and couldn't help wondering what it was all about. Was it a genuine cabaret artist who had somehow wangled an appearance or something?



Its also rather strange seeing Mike Baldwin / Johnnie Briggs at the Crossroads as well as Mr Lucas / Trevor Bannister from Are you being served

Absolutely agreed.




One thing i did read was that Crossroads gossip Mrs Whitton played by Jo Richardson died in real life in the 1970s after a swimming accident in the Seychelles

I might be slipping since I've only recently watched the early episodes, but I can't picture or remember her at all.
 

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Happy 80th birthday to Jane Rossington today

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also believe that Ann George aka Amy Turtle would be 120 today

Ive been wading through a few more Crossroads episodes - but just when you hope that the nest episode will follow - you have jumped several weeks ahead

Can I ask what happened to Tish and Capt Hope to split up??

Also now watching a few with June Bolton as Lia Hua - I always liked her in Tenko - but some dreadful acting from her on Crossroads
 

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Glenda hasnt appeared yet for me in Crossroads - but Benny found his father last night!!

Im still trying to work out why Diane is now on the farm - misssing epiosdes are annoying!!
 
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