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My only critiscism of Nolly was HBC wig, it was too big and bouffant for Meg / Noele and Nolly had beautiful blue eyes

saw this, hope it plays and it features David Hunters wife at a Crossroads / Fans get together from 1989 I think

Thanks @Julia's Gun - I think I will be ordering it soon x

 

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I just felt very, very sad for Noele, having watched all the docs about her now, the miniseries and then culminating in her departure last night.

I've felt similarly based on the miniseries, the documentary and some information I've ended up reading about the change from ATV to Central and the wider politics such as the chair of the IBA saying that Crossroads was "distressingly popular." It seems Noele went because there was no way to destroy the series' popularity with her still there.

The series' treatment by those who were meant to be advocating it is just bizarre. It's like reading about parents out to make life miserable for their own child.



Can I ask who has all bought the Noele Gordon Collection ?? Is it something you would recommend?

I see its £130 - im seriously tempted now

I have it and I would definitely recommend it to fans of the series (like you) or people who want to discover it properly (like me).

It's a limited edition, so I doubt it will be available in its current form for too long. From what I've read, once a limited edition sells out, Network sometimes re-release cheaper "standard" versions later on, without the extras, so I went for it on the basis that the interviews and documentaries made it worthwhile, plus £130 is a pretty good price for over 700 episodes.



I wonder if a few of us who own the set now would be interested in doing a joint re-watch thread for certain periods? We could choose each week some discs or a period of the show to watch that week and then post our thoughts as we go along? What do others think?

It might be people would rather just watch and post as and when they please, and that's absolutely fine, I just thougth i'd put the idea out there.

I've now started watching mine and, because I'm fairly unfamiliar with the series, I'll be watching in chronological order to see the stories unfold. I'll post some thoughts here (or wherever) as I work my way through, but don't mind how it's done.

I'm not going to be too meticulous about avoiding spoilers since I've watched some episodes from much later in the run and I know of a number of the big stories (I mean, I've just watched Nolly, so if I hadn't known before, I certainly would have after that), so I have no worries if more seasoned fans dive straight into watching later episodes. I'll just come back to read the relevant posts as I reach the episodes in question.

Over in the Sons And Daughters mega-rewatch (which is still technically ongoing) we were all watching at different paces. It was felt that wrapping text in spoiler tags would affect the flow of the thread, so we just tagged posts with episode numbers, allowing those who were behind to either scroll past or wait. That seemed to work fine.

According to the text in the Episode Guide shared by @Carrie Fairchild on the previous page, many episodes prior to July 1978 were wiped. Looking at the episodes in the set, it seems it's fairly sporadic up to that point, then there's a fairly consecutive run from July 1978 through to the end of 1981, so that might be worth bearing in mind. I suspect that's when I'll feel I'm experiencing the series properly.
 

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I wonder if a few of us who own the set now would be interested in doing a joint re-watch thread for certain periods? We could choose each week some discs or a period of the show to watch that week and then post our thoughts as we go along? What do others think?

It might be people would rather just watch and post as and when they please, and that's absolutely fine, I just thougth i'd put the idea out there.
Id be game - once it arrives :group:
 

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A few thoughts on my first batch (a baker's dozen) of Xrds episodes:





26 April 1965-21 April 1971

Episodes 126; 496-500; 986; 1009; 1182; 1192; 1304; 1366; 1481


Very quickly I’ve come around to realising that the allure of early Crossroads - certainly as watched only through the handful of isolated episodes remaining - is very similar to that of people-watching. Names (if picked up at all) are mostly unfamiliar and by the time there’s any hint of familiarity most are gone as quickly as they appeared. At the same time, there’s an oddly satisfying fascination to simply seeing these fragments of their lives, trying to fill in gaps from via a combination of osmosis and empirical evidence as they helpfully chew over their latest dramas or worries with a disarming openness.

Crossroads isn’t completely unfamiliar to me. My grandmother (like everyone else’s grandmother) was a fan so it wasn’t unusual for Xrds to be going on in the background as I got on with more important business like reading comics or playtime with cousins. There was even a point, in the latter days of the original series’ run that I made a conscious attempt to become a regular viewer. I certainly watched the final episode as it was transmitted that Easter.

Of course, there are also those legends that are in most people’s psyche: regal Meg (she looks an awful lot like my other grandmother. The one who didn’t watch Crossroads); sweet Diane with her friendly smiling round face (she was my favourite back in my unconscious watching days and I made a point of being out of the room for her last episodes, fearing the emotion would be too much); stiff, suave David Hunter; smiley, put upon Benny; slick Adam and rather posh Jill.

Of those named above, I’ve been introduced to Meg and younger versions of Jill and Diane. And I’m enjoying all three.

Both Jill and Diane are more youthful than I’d imagined, in that Sixties Carnaby Street kind of way. Diane is far sassier than I recall. I think of her as an almost angelic, slightly matronly friendly auntie type, which I suppose there’s still time for her to become, but equally it could be something I projected onto her as a child. She also seems to have a disastrous love life, with a series of different men, sometimes giving her a choice. In fact a “could have been a favourite if he was in more than one episode” character was the good looking young man who stormed into reception to tell Diane off for spending time with the fella at the garage. He delivered his lines in such a knowing, OTT way - it felt as though he was trying not to burst out laughing - that he was instantly engaging.

There’s something about young Jill that puts me in mind of Toni Collette circa Muriel’s Wedding (I think it might mainly be the heavy eyelids which make her look endearingly spaced). Now we’ve entered the Seventies, I’m also getting a Lorraine Gary vibe mainly due to her Ellen-Brody-From-Jaws hairdo (slightly big on the sides, but with a scarf tying it at the back).

Meg is every bit as regal as I remember, if not quite as terrifyingly formidable. She’s mostly been a joy to watch, but I’m already wondering if she needs to be at the motel to hold her power (the “haunted house” episode where she and one of her beaus were staying at some remote cottage with no power has been her least watchable material so far. But that could be down to the material). She seems to have changed surnames at least once and is currently being called Mrs Ryder. I’m not sure if Mr Ryder was the bloke who seemed to be drugging and gaslighting her in the last black and white and first colour episodes featured

The jump to colour, by the way, has brought the series properly to life. Meg’s medicine was black in one episode, and lime green in the next (presumably both letting us know it’s highly toxic. Not that this stopped Meg downing it), Elsewhere, Diane was torn between dresses in acid green or silver while visiting Jill’s wobbly boutique, and we could see the colours in all their glory. She also took her package back the kitchen in a gloriously gaudy floral box. Xrds knows how to make viewers’ investment in a colour licence worth the money.

The scene with someone knocking on the door of Jill’s boutique is a standout as one of the few moments where I feared a set might collapse. Based on what I’ve watched, I don’t feel Xrds’ reputation for wobbly sets is warranted. What’s more, there’s been significantly more location work than I’d expected, such as the kitchen staff with the funny accents taking a trip to Malvern, leading to scenes of them running hand-in-hand on the hills. Then there was Marilyn going to inspect some kind of military parade (don’t ask me why) and Sue Nicholls clearly relishing every minute, grinning from ear to ear and chattering away mid-montage.


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26 April 1965-21 April 1971

Episodes 126; 496-500; 986; 1009; 1182; 1192; 1304; 1366; 1481


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For this viewer, most of the evidence of the lower budget is actually evidence of how strong this series is. Shooting “as live” gives it a theatrical edge with the kind of exciting energy that actors carry in this kind of situation. I dare say that this series really separated the wheat from the chaff when it came to both aptitude and nerves of actors of all experiences. I thoroughly enjoy watching one scene knowing that those in the next scene are already awaiting their cue (yes - there have been plenty of those moments Acorn Antiques really drew our attention to, with actors holding still on camera, looking behind the camera before the cue comes and they start moving. But I find it endearing).

What’s more, the lack of retake does mean plenty of lines have been tripped over or even talked over by a scene fellow. But I love that characters in this series don’t follow the conventions of those in higher budget series. When one stops to think about it, isn’t it rather bizarre that in many naturalistic, kitchen sink dramas most characters still speak in turn. They don’t speak over one another. They deliver every line clearly without seeming to think about it. And they never seem to fumble over what to say. It’s enough to give a person an inferiority complex. Give me Xrds with its relatable, occasionally awkward air of “Sorry, I thought you’d finished speaking”/“Oops, that didn’t quite come out right” any day.

One choice I’ve found both surprising and interesting has been that of using incidental music. There’s been everything from variations of the Xrds theme to quirky comedy music and Herrmannesque highly dramatic strings for big reveals (I’m still unsure if some of these are funny by design or accident).

Watching only selected episodes has highlighted the occasional borderline outlandishness of the plots. In one episode, a young blind woman is about to undergo surgery which may help her see. Only on the day of the surgery is she told that afterwards she’ll have to lie flat on the bed for some time (she seems to readily accept this, while I found myself wondering about practicalities, like how will she eat and poop). We leave her lying in the darkened hospital room, cotton pads bandaged over her eyes. In the next episode on the disc, we return to the darkened hospital room and see the figure lying with cotton pads and bandages over the eyes… only for me to realise that this time it’s a man. We don’t quite know what’s happened to him until we cut to Meg who helpfully exposits perhaps the most Acorn Antiques line of this whole batch:
Meg said:
It’s all my fault. I never should have swerved to avoid that cat.

As a cat lover and owner, this line put Meg temporarily out of favour with me… until I remembered that this brutally cold comment was a step up from the terrible ghost stuff she’d been doing while the poor girl was preparing for her surgery.

The hospital episodes have been full of delightful cliches, such as the stern Sister trying to separate the nurse and patient who have developed feelings. And of course the stuff that only seems logical from a dramatic standpoint. One of the blind people (I forget which) is told that doctors will remove one eye patch at a time. The other will be removed at a later date. This is in order to make the process gradual. Like, couldn’t they just use a dimmer switch or a lamp with a low wattage bulb for a few days?!

Many characters have come and gone. There are Diane’s boyfriends. Meg’s husbands. And a raft of mysterious men (the guy who we know is evil because he wears sunglasses indoors; the kitchen worker who looks like Andrew Garfield who claims to have been travelling with the forces but knows worryingly little about Delhi when quizzed by someone who’s actually been there; et al). In a recent episode I did think young David Hunter had appeared (or at least the actor, since this character is named Alan), but it’s just someone who looks rather like Ronald Allen (though he was tellingly un-stiff, now I think about it).

There have been all manner of familiar faces: Audrey from Corrie, obviously. Then there’s posh Yvonne from Hi-de-Hi! who with dark, long hair looks remarkably like Cornelia Frances (she had much screen time in episode 496 - the first I watched - spending much time deep in reflective thought for reasons that were apparent only to her. Fortunately, the brief run of consecutive episodes eventually explained that she’d just tried to kill herself). Also appearing is Leclerc from ‘Allo ‘Allo.

Perhaps it’s me knowing about the Reg Watson connection, but Xrds does feel remarkably like Neighbours in many ways. Partly it’s the motel/hotel complex thing, I’m sure, but it’s also the structure of the series with its short-lived characters brought in to shake up the status quo. I really first got this Neighbours-type tone with the slightly comedic sequence in which Marilyn was trying to dump a persistent beau from the army. Meanwhile his friend and senior officer was also unhappy with the relationship and got a girl to pretend to be said beau's distraught wife. The girl happened to be an old school chum of Marilyn and they went off to chat, with Marilyn learning the truth but deciding to play along as it's the perfect way to get him out of the picture. At the same time, the beau's army friend convinced him that ending the relationship would be in his best interests, and so the beau, too, went along with the scheme. It was farcical and wouldn't feel out of place in a sit-com. It was deceptively layered with lots of different character stuff to keep up with, but it never felt complex enough to lose the audience's attention. It was good, clean, daft fun that could have taken place in Daphne's Coffee Shop as easily as the foyer of the Crossroads Motel.

And with episodes that run for barely twenty minutes, Xrds is also proving as easily digestible as its antipodean descendant.
 

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I watched Nolly last night and am going to watch the new documentary tonight. I have long suspected Crossroads would be for me. I even watched a few sporadic episodes a couple of years back on YouTube. It didn't seem any worse than early Corrie or Emmerdale Farm to me and I think what appeals even more to me that is in fact modelled more on US daytime soaps. It's a daft premise but one I could find myself fully investing in. In fact I have already decided to buy this new boxset come pay day on Friday. And I would very much be up for participating in a watching thread.
 

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I cant find this on You Tube but its on a Noele Gordon Page on FB

Its her 1973 This is your life featuring a few familiar faces

I dont think its going to play here and the quality isnt great but if you are on FB you will be able to see it (oh darling)


Love your reviews @Mel O'Drama - looking forwards to the postman arriving
 
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I wonder if a few of us who own the set now would be interested in doing a joint re-watch thread for certain periods? We could choose each week some discs or a period of the show to watch that week and then post our thoughts as we go along? What do others think?
Quite by chance, I seem to have developed a habit of embarking on slightly wonky looking re-watches of long-running shows just before they're unexpectedly rereleased, either in swanky new box sets (Sons and Daughters, Crossroads) or on streaming services (Brookside and whatever's supposed to happening to Dallas). So if there's a show you really want to see again, just let me know. I'll start watching a fourth generation copy of it and then it's bound to become available looking as shiny and new as the day it was born.

I started my Crossroads re-re-watch some months ago as part of my plan to re-watch every series I own in chronological-ish order. I've just finished the handful of 1966 Xrds eps available and I've now got two years' worth of Star Trek, Coronation Street, Dark Shadows and Peyton Place to wade through before I reach the next one in '68, by which time you'll all be chalets ahead of me. But I'll drop in now and again and follow your progress(es) with interest.
 

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Then there was Marilyn going to inspect some kind of military parade (don’t ask me why)
It’s randomness like this that makes me adore Crossroads!
One choice I’ve found both surprising and interesting has been that of using incidental music. There’s been everything from variations of the Xrds theme to quirky comedy music and Herrmannesque highly dramatic strings for big reveals (I’m still unsure if some of these are funny by design or accident).
This is something that I was thinking about when I watched the QE2 episode. The high drama orchestral music as Jill rushed to find Meg and then the flashbacks when Meg explained her departure were quite different for a UK soap at that time. More in line with what would’ve been seen on US daytime soaps.
So if there's a show you really want to see again, just let me know. I'll start watching a fourth generation copy of it and then it's bound to become available looking as shiny and new as the day it was born.
:D:D Give Sunset Beach a go for us please and it’ll be streaming on ITVX before the year is out.
 
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14 May 1971 - 16 August 1972

Episodes 1495; 1674; 1688; 1736; 1754-1758



There’s been a significant shift in the way I watch Xrds. After flying through a heap of random episodes skating over the surface, the first run of consecutive episodes since those at the beginning of my watch have allowed me to experience a key dramatic story as it unfolded. And it’s not that I wasn’t finding the series appealing before this point. It’s just that I could’t get to know it well enough for it to mean anything beyond appreciating the light entertainment value and the late Sixties fashions, as well as its low budget charm.

Even in this run of episodes, I felt the same way before hitting the consecutive ones. And on those levels there was lots to enjoy.

#1495, for example, featured a great conversation between Paul (the one who looks like a proto Andrew Garfield) and Vince (who in the latter episodes is married to Diane) which is a clear demonstration of how the generous cast help one another out when they hit bumps during the “as live” filming.

Standing behind reception, Vince is asking Paul for some time off to focus on fixing up his home. He starts telling Paul about the cottage he and Diane are renovating. Peter Brookes, playing Vince, is tripping over his words to begin with and appears to struggle to regain his footing. At one point, he stops in his tracks, looks down, fumbling, and says “Anyway. Uh…”

Without dropping the ball, actor Paul Greenwood comes in and hands Peter his next line by asking “What about cleaning it up and everything?” Peter responds without losing character and the scene’s mojo is back. I like that it’s exactly the kind of thing that could have happened during a real-life awkward pause in a conversation, but it’s the kind of natural moment that you’d simply never see in scripted drama because it defies convention. It also gives a theatrical tone, allowing the viewer to feel they're experiencing a moment that takes place on the night they have a front row seat. The special something of that moment couldn't be replicated if it were written in and carefully shot over and over again. In fact it would lose something if it were more pristine and "perfect".

I’m just starting to put the pieces together about who is whom and how they fit into things, and even as I write I realise that as well as working nights at the motel, Vince is the same Kings Oak postie who had previously had something going with snarky Vera - she of the Xrds salon.

Drama queen Vera is the tart with a heart type probably not a million miles from Elsie Tanner, though in Corrie terms she reminds me far more of Alma, with Zeph Gladstone having a similar kind of look to Alma Barrie (there’s also something of the Stephanie Beacham to Zeph’s features, which is never a bad thing).

Vera’s had her share of Acorn Antiques moments in the salon. There’s a terrific moment somewhere in the middle of these episodes where Vera is putting one of her clients underneath one of those over-the-head hairdryers that I’ve seen used to brainwash people in some shows (was it The Bionic Woman? Hart To Hart? Let’s face it, I wouldn’t put it past Xrds itself to follow this angle at some point). As she puts the lid down, the woman sits back in the chair and the hairdryer crashes noisily onto her curlers. The extra with the bruised bonce makes a little sound (I wonder if that meant she got paid more?) and winces, before playing along and looking slightly put out as Zeph ad libs a quick apology, pacifies her customer with a women’s lifestyle magazine and marches off to angrily confront someone over something in another corner of the salon.

Vera also had a conversation chastising her new trainee, Jill, for using her initiative. The opening of the conversation is a contender for the most Acorn Antiques exchange of this run of episodes:
Vera (producing an envelope): “I got this this morning.”
Jill (casually): “Oh, not another anonymous letter?”
Vera (gravely): "No. It’s an invoice for a nail polish order.”

This is only possibly topped by Noele Gordon Boadicea Overalling an idiom as she cheerily greets someone:
Meg said:
The early worm catches the fattest bird. Or should it be the other way about?

The most impressive thing about this line is that Noele herself apparently catches onto her mistake even as she delivers the first few words. She rectifies it so quickly and with such assurance that the viewer is left feeling she said the line exactly as it was meant to have been said. In fact I found myself marvelling at a line that was clever enough to have me thinking about it for a few moments and still reaching the conclusion that it was more effective than it would have been were it a simple platitude.


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14 May 1971 - 16 August 1972

Episodes 1495; 1674; 1688; 1736; 1754-1758

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More once-and-future sitcom faces have shown up. There’s been old Arnold Ridley - Pt. Godfrey from Dad’s Army - as Mr Atkins. He was seen discussing hedgehogs with the lovely, middle class old lady from the shop (I forget her name, but she has such a perfect character look I can overlook her limited acting range). And then Meg (mid-crisis, naturally) bumped into a blonde Edith Artois on a sunny location shoot in Coventry. I still find it a little surreal seeing Carmen Silvera in anything outside ‘Allo ‘Allo where she speaks with a British accent rather than French.

There’s also been a future Xrds actor in Stan Stennett who walked into someone’s living room to point a gun at Mr Booth (a low-key favourite of mine for his pernickety nature and bold spectacle frames) as he tinkered with a female friend’s colour balance. What happened next is anyone’s guess as it was one of those randoms.

All of which leads on to the winning run of episodes from #1754-1758 (there’s #1759 as well, but time caught up with me last night). Now, I do have a decent idea how this story plays out in the long term, and perhaps that’s helped since, from what I know, Sandy’s character arc is a brave and pioneering direction for the series to take.

Perhaps the reality of the off-screen reality also impacts on the way the story is told since the energy in these episodes positively crackles at times. Noele Gordon’s performance has been nothing short of splendid. I feel quite exhausted seeing Meg so weary and emotionally spent. And this is really only the beginning of the story.

The real-life aspect of this also gives the story more of an edge. It feels a little wrong at any time for characters to flatly say it might be better a character had died than live in a paralysed condition. But when the line comes with us knowing Roger Tonge is just the other side of a wall it’s enough to make one draw breath.

It’s clear much thought and preparation has gone into this story. There’s even an “advisor” credited with the writers in the closing titles. The car accident episode has evidently been wiped (if, indeed, there ever was an onscreen crash), and that’s fine because it’s really not about the "event" itself but about the consequences. Like the characters waiting for news back at the motel, I’m playing catchup based on the fragments of information coming my way after the fact and so I share their frustrations and concerns.

Then there’s the location work being done in Coventry. The episodes aired in August 1972 and it’s clear the externals were shot on bright, sunny summer days. Even those scenes which have taken place with the hospital looming in the background look impressive and inviting. There’s an air of quality to these scenes, and it’s always wonderful to see vintage streetscapes with the old vehicles and women in their crimplene summer mini dresses.

Something else has happened in these episodes. I’ve found myself investing in secondary and tertiary stories - or at least those that are currently taking something of a back seat compared with the hospital drama unfolding in Coventry. From Vince’s bullish army father returning (I keep seeing The Captain from Ghosts) to Amy Turtle taking a cleaning job with David Hunter’s family at the newly introduced Lake House (her sphincter-like disapproving mouth upon seeng a naked statue was hilarious) in order to get away from the formidable woman with whom she has a feud at the motel (is it Mrs Loomis? Some names are coming quicker than others. She’s got kind of a Peggy Mount/Lou Beal air to her).

Sandy’s situation seems to be rippling out into all these other stories. At Lake House, for example, David’s brother Timothy has just been released from hospital. He was evidently involved in the accident, with Sandy only driving because Timothy was drunk). Meanwhile Amy regrets telling Sandy they were no longer friends because he’d sided with someone else over her (I’m assuming this is Mrs Loomis again).

Whether these five episodes have felt so meaningful because they are particularly well-written, because I’m seeing it unfold organically over consecutive episodes, or simply because I’ve become accustomed to Xrds’ style I don’t know. Whatever the case, I welcome it.

I’m not feeling thrilled about going back to sporadic episodes, but at least I have a few more consecutive runs in among the isolated ones between now and 1978.
 

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Crossroads has always fascinated as a soap, it’s very British yet also very American in so much there was one central star, much like the 80s soaps with Dynasty’s main star being Joan Collins and Dallas’s protagonist was Larry Hagman.

I watched a clip of the Xmas 1978 episode and Noelle is singing to the camera in a very surreal sequence.

There definitely was a deciding line between the 60s/70s era of Crossroads and 80s Crossroads, the axing of Meg I think was because Central TV (which would replace ATV in 1982) didn’t want to be saddled with the show, and felt that getting rid of its most popular and arguably the shows leading character would hasten its demise and they weren’t wrong.

Crossroads lurched from one revamp to the next and by the time we get to the Kings Oak era it’s a vastly different show.

I do wonder how Crossroads would have gone had Meg stayed in the 1980s.
 

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Interestingly, Russell T Davies who penned Nolly was on “Lorraine” this morning where he mentioned that he was on the verge of being offered a job as a scriptwriter on the original Crossroads when it was axed.

He said that he had written a “test“ script and then been invited down to the studios to have a look at the sets but that just weeks later the soap was then suddenly axed.

He said, therefore, it remains to be seen whether he would have been offered a job on the script writing team had it not been cancelled
 
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There definitely was a deciding line between the 60s/70s era of Crossroads and 80s Crossroads, the axing of Meg I think was because Central TV (which would replace ATV in 1982) didn’t want to be saddled with the show, and felt that getting rid of its most popular and arguably the shows leading character would hasten its demise and they weren’t wrong.
I started watching Crossroads in the mid 1970s but was far too young to have any detailed memory of it until the late 1970s and particularly the 1980s. I felt that by then the Meg had become more of a peripheral character with few major storylines of her own, although she often made a significant contribution to storylines concerning other main characters. As a result, I never had the strong attachment to Meg that many older viewers had and although I liked her, she was far from being my favourite character.

I've never fully accepted the idea that getting rid of Meg was the main reason for Crossroads demise. After she left there were some great storylines such as Iris Scott falsely accusing Arthur Brownlow of sexual assault, Jill's affair with Mickey Doyle, Glenda's struggles to get pregnant, Kath Brownlow's marriage to a bigamist, David Hunter's affair with Sarah Alexander and Diane's brother Terry's crooked business deals and Benny using his inheritance to bail him out. There were many more and the ratings held up pretty well during this period.

I think what killed Crossroads was when William Smethurst took over as producer of the series in 1986 and completely changed the tone of the show and that's when the viewing figures started to decline.
 

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I felt that by then the Meg had become more of a peripheral character with few major storylines of her own, although she often made a significant contribution to storylines concerning other main characters.
Funnily enough, I think Jill had slipped into this mode in the mid-80’s. When a couple of us were watching the 1985 Phillip Bowman era a while back (marked by the Hunters departure and the arrival of Nicola Freeman), someone commented here that Jill didn’t seem to do much (or something to that effect). There was a lot of time spent coming in and out of the office carrying folders and discussing business but very little in the way of her own storyline. I think she was kept on as a legacy character by then and there was probably an element of that in Meg’s final years on the show too. Their big storyline days (addiction, marriage woes, custody battles, prison) were behind them but it was still nice to have them around (until Charles Denton decided it wasn’t).
 

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Well I have just ordered my boxset. I still have no clue as to what way I should watch it, or what way is best? Chronological order, starting with the random sporadic episodes from day dot, or start wherever the longest chunks of episodes in order are.

Also I am interested in seeing what happened to the Motel after the fire. I think I remember some years ago seeing a documentary or behind the scenes show showing the new Motel sets and backstage bits being all pastel and mid '80s. Like Dynasty's La Mirage transported to the midlands.
Does anyone know if this is on YouTube? Or what it even was?
 

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Well.....................Ive had a Noele Gordon week and watching everything and anything she features in and have watched Nolly twice and one thing I have noticed

and im so jealous of this

is that she just has perfect cupid lips and really does rock a lipstick and has a lovely shaped mouth

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In the same way that I always wanted Debbie Harry lips

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Also I am interested in seeing what happened to the Motel after the fire. I think I remember some years ago seeing a documentary or behind the scenes show showing the new Motel sets and backstage bits being all pastel and mid '80s. Like Dynasty's La Mirage transported to the midlands.
Yes, it was all quite purple and claustrophobic for a while until Nicola Freeman showed up and had it revamped. Not sure of the documentary but there’s quite a bit of the post-Meg episodes available.
 

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I started watching Crossroads in the mid 1970s but was far too young to have any detailed memory of it until the late 1970s and particularly the 1980s. I felt that by then the Meg had become more of a peripheral character with few major storylines of her own, although she often made a significant contribution to storylines concerning other main characters. As a result, I never had the strong attachment to Meg that many older viewers had and although I liked her, she was far from being my favourite character.

I've never fully accepted the idea that getting rid of Meg was the main reason for Crossroads demise. After she left there were some great storylines such as Iris Scott falsely accusing Arthur Brownlow of sexual assault, Jill's affair with Mickey Doyle, Glenda's struggles to get pregnant, Kath Brownlow's marriage to a bigamist, David Hunter's affair with Sarah Alexander and Diane's brother Terry's crooked business deals and Benny using his inheritance to bail him out. There were many more and the ratings held up pretty well during this period.

I think what killed Crossroads was when William Smethurst took over as producer of the series in 1986 and completely changed the tone of the show and that's when the viewing figures started to decline.

Not the main reason no, 80s Crossroads was still good, it was just decidedly different, Jane Rossington said in 1986 that the show had a different feel when compared to the Meg years,

The demise was really to do with the fact that after the loss of Meg the show simply didn’t know what to do with itself anymore, successive producers came along, changed the show around a bit and axed more characters with each passing year, most notably David & Barbara Hunter in 1984,

By 1986, the only legacy characters from the Meg era left were Jill, Adam, Diane & Benny, I guess you could include the Brownlows who arrived at the tail end of the Meg era, but everyone else at that point had no connection to that earlier era.

Despite the constant changes and revamps Crossroads was still very much stuck in a rose tinted 1960s England (despite being progressive with representation of black people), especially when compared to very gritty and grimy urban new soaps of the 1980s with Brookside & EastEnders, even Emmerdale had dragged itself from the sleepy and hazy 70s and moved forward into the 80s with a mix of Yorkshire grit (albeit lacking criticism of a certain PM at the time) and aspirations of being Yorkshire’s very own DALLAS, Corrie was always behind the times and largely still is today but Corrie was a national institution, Crossroads was the nations joke unfortunately even though the wobbly sets had long since gone and was much maligned.

When Crossroads (then known as Crossroads Kings Oak in yet another attempt at relaunching the show) ended in 1988 it was still getting 9-11 million views, today soaps average about 6 million, but it’s demise was a mix of Central not wanting it anymore and successive producers changing the show too much beyond recognition by 1988,m
 
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