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<blockquote data-quote="Angela Channing" data-source="post: 260933" data-attributes="member: 33"><p>Going to the pub and sitting in an enclosed indoor space with crowds of other people isn't the only way the unvaccinated can spend their leisure time or consume alcohol so it is a good comparison.</p><p></p><p>Even the best current vaccines are not 100% effective so you would feel more secure knowing that the person sat next to you was also vaccinated. Some vaccines are not effective at all with some variants so knowing there is a good chance person next to you might have been vaccinated with another vaccine will give you more confidence of being safe. </p><p></p><p>The Covid virus can die out just like the Spanish flu virus did so that should be our aim. Flu is no where near as lethal as Covid so it's practical to live with that virus but that just isn't the case with Covid.</p><p></p><p>No, which is why everyone should be encouraged to be vaccinated and have boosters against future variants so we don't have to live in fear. Not being vaccinated prolongs the fear.</p><p></p><p>I don't agree with authoritarianism either but no one is being forced to be vaccinated and that would still be the case if we had vaccine passports.</p><p></p><p>That was the situation in the first lockdown for many of the most vulnerable. Vaccination will give them back the freedom to go out again but it will only work if everyone who can have a vaccine takes it. The Oxford vaccine is around 90% effective so a vulnerable person would have a 1 in 10 chance of catching the virus from someone with Covid. If everyone was vaccinated that chance would drop massively.</p><p></p><p>Would you be happy to pay more than everyone else to cover the costs of your test and processing time at an event? Are you happy to wait longer to gain entry to venues than other people? Are you happy to stay longer at work to compensate for the time you spend taking the test and waiting for results (around an extra 30 minutes per test)? One test a week would not be sufficient to have any degree of safety, it would need to be around 3 times a week and lateral flow test are only around 60% accurate so there will be many people with Covid-19 who will go undetected. The extra costs and time with testing makes you less free, vaccination makes you more free.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Angela Channing, post: 260933, member: 33"] Going to the pub and sitting in an enclosed indoor space with crowds of other people isn't the only way the unvaccinated can spend their leisure time or consume alcohol so it is a good comparison. Even the best current vaccines are not 100% effective so you would feel more secure knowing that the person sat next to you was also vaccinated. Some vaccines are not effective at all with some variants so knowing there is a good chance person next to you might have been vaccinated with another vaccine will give you more confidence of being safe. The Covid virus can die out just like the Spanish flu virus did so that should be our aim. Flu is no where near as lethal as Covid so it's practical to live with that virus but that just isn't the case with Covid. No, which is why everyone should be encouraged to be vaccinated and have boosters against future variants so we don't have to live in fear. Not being vaccinated prolongs the fear. I don't agree with authoritarianism either but no one is being forced to be vaccinated and that would still be the case if we had vaccine passports. That was the situation in the first lockdown for many of the most vulnerable. Vaccination will give them back the freedom to go out again but it will only work if everyone who can have a vaccine takes it. The Oxford vaccine is around 90% effective so a vulnerable person would have a 1 in 10 chance of catching the virus from someone with Covid. If everyone was vaccinated that chance would drop massively. Would you be happy to pay more than everyone else to cover the costs of your test and processing time at an event? Are you happy to wait longer to gain entry to venues than other people? Are you happy to stay longer at work to compensate for the time you spend taking the test and waiting for results (around an extra 30 minutes per test)? One test a week would not be sufficient to have any degree of safety, it would need to be around 3 times a week and lateral flow test are only around 60% accurate so there will be many people with Covid-19 who will go undetected. The extra costs and time with testing makes you less free, vaccination makes you more free. [/QUOTE]
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