DYNASTY's two shows

Michael Torrance

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Which show were you a fan of?

There is the DYNASTY that is a saga of the Carrington family, with a strong narrative in seasons 1-3, and some coherence resurfacing in season 5, certainly 6B (which is like a continuation of the strong first three years), and then a different chapter—but of the same Carrington saga—in season 9. Let’s call this narrative-driven hour “show 1.”

And then there is DYNASTY which is the companion to “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous,” with caviar dreams and champagne wishes. The lifestyle element was always there, even in the well-narrated years. But in the wobbly years, it became the focus rather than the setting. I’d say season 3 is when the style really starts to gain prominence alongside the still-strong narrative (Krystle for instance is now dressed the same as Fallon, and no more lessons in how one needs to appear are needed). Alexis lives in a penthouse atop a hotel because that is also more glamorous than a mansion like Blake’s which is more tied to old money, where flashing wealth is considered gaudy. But the style really takes center stage in season 4, and by season 5 and 6 even Claudia is flinging around fur coats. Let’s call this “show 2.” Not for nothing, but when DYNASTY II was announced, Spelling promised it would be richer than the original and the bigger budget was a big ad campaign point . And sure enough, Sable was flinging a fur coat in the opening credits.

DYNASTY’s rise in the ratings came from show 1, but I think its continuance there when show 1 faltered (or become non-existent) was because of show 2. By season 7B and 8, both shows were gone: there were no narrative arcs to follow, and the show looked cheap rather than flashy.

Now, I did not mind having both shows alongside—as I said, DYNASTY outshone DALLAS even in season 1 because the Carringtons looked rich and lived in a rich man’s house. One show augmented the other. But while maybe on first viewing, in the 80s, show 2 alone could have been interesting to gaze at, in reruns it looks tiresome to me. But I know many people may feel differently, which is fine of course. That’s what makes the forum interesting.
 

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Well-delineated! I would say the show that grabbed me was Show 1 - it had me until Season Three. I kept watching, almost all the way to the end with breaks 7-9 out of boredom, but it was the central premise (a witty satire of the rich rather than a lame celebration of same, as PSM said upon her exit) and the juicy but still somewhat character-grounded plots of S1-2 that got me hooked. The endless camera pans over food spreads and fur-throwing, etc., were not what attracted me, even back then when I was a suffering student. :)
 

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Every time I have re-watched the show, and there have been many times! I always love it from season 1 until season 4. In season 4 it feels like the wheels just fall off. It becomes almost unwatchable. Then in season 5 it gets a kick up the ass, it puffs up it's shirt and promises it's going to be an international, jet-set glamour soap with royal intrigues and old Hollywood magic. I watch on and it's amusing and fun enough again, but it never delivers what it had really promised. Season 6, I love. I love because it almost, but not quite, becomes everything that Dynasty should be. It becomes bombastic and is filled with bravado and it looks mostly how it should look. But if you peer round the back you see it's just a façade and it falls down flat come season 7. Ah... Season 7 when Dynasty wrong-headedly decides it's actually Knots Landing. Sometimes I get fooled by it and find my self caught up in Sammy Jo and Steven's Delta woes or the search for Krystina's heart but somewhere along the way I realise I have been tricked and I am not watching Knots Landing, it's just the Carrington's in wooly jumpers! Then season 8 happens and I attempt suicide. Every time! I usually awaken in hospital and someone brings me season 9 and I live again. Even if Dynasty doesn't.
 

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Season 4 still had a lot of the old atmosphere, and Pamela Sue Martin was still in it, and then Euro-star Peter De Vilbis, yippee.
But it often feels lifeless and bland, like Fallon in her wheelchair not doing drugs. Yes, that's a very metaphorical image.
It's the most frustrating season because that wonderful soap machine is still there but it often stops working.

When I think of season 5 I see Jack Coleman crying at Fallon's funeral but somehow it looks as if all the tears end up in his underwear. Bad, bad Dynasty.
It's also Dynasty's answer to Dallas' dream season, eventhough the Moldavians crossed over to season 6 (the worst part of season 6).
It feels very much like a stand-alone season.

Season 6 is Rita & Caress & Cora Van Husen, but it's hard to ignore the reboot trend which started with the Moldavia mess (or lack thereof).
Individual plotlines are enjoyable, and so are most of the characters.

Season 7 is can't you feel my pain.
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yes of course we can feel it.

Season 8 is vampy Leslie and nasty Sean. Sean is cool, regardless what Joan Collins says. I hate Delta Rho, what a disgusting set. I wish they had given Sammy Jo the Dexter Ranch (aka The Yellow Rose).

Season 9 is shock and gasp. Knight in shining armour Dex Dexter likes barely-legal prostitutes, Alexis learns that blood is nastier than oil, Krystle is the most dangerous party hostess in the emerald studded zoo, dead bodies with a gorgeous lockdown hairdo. O my god o my god. It's a colourful cacophony.
 

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Season 4 (…) It's the most frustrating season because that wonderful soap machine is still there but it often stops working.
Yes, it's always as if Season 4 has a ghost season parallel, where Kirby & Adam have candlelight drama, and the "European glamour" defines the show, and Fallon and Peewee do a montage ostensibly in Paris, Venice and Rome.

But it doesn't really happen, does it?

Yet I want it to be the peak of the series' first half, to be chic and posh and sophisticated without being as caught up in literal royalty hyperbole as it would soon be.
the Moldavians crossed over to season 6 (the worst part of season 6).
Not if they'd finally placed Alexis on the throne for three or four episodes.
Season 9 is shock and gasp. Knight in shining armour Dex Dexter likes barely-legal prostitutes
Funny, Season 9 is the only time I liked Dex and found him interesting. Prior to that, he just seemed like the show's requisite effete-macho poseur.
 

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es, it's always as if Season 4 has a ghost season parallel, where Kirby & Adam have candlelight drama, and the "European glamour" defines the show, and Fallon and Peewee do a montage ostensibly in Paris, Venice and Rome.

But it doesn't really happen, does it?

Yet I want it to be the peak of the series' first half, to be chic and posh and sophisticated without being as caught up in literal royalty hyperbole as it would soon be.
I don't know exactly what it is about season 4, because they do do some location filming, but it just feels dead. Like it's suffocated and there is no air. I always just think of it as people wondering in and out of offices and standing in La Mirage like well dressed mannequins. It feels like nothing happens. And then there's Devil Bus. I cant believe that they actually cast Helmut Berger. Anyone would have been better. It's like they hated Fallon and were punishing her. How could PSM the young one on the show get saddled with that piece of shit? He has no chemistry. Always says his lines like he has just realised he has shit his pants right there on camera and nervously has to keep going until the scene is finished. He just looks like he's cold to the touch. Utterly reptilian and alien and not right for Fallon, for Dynasty in any way. And he's there for what feels like ages. They don't even notice he's terrible. I would have got rid of him quicker, had him killed over drug debts, and then cast someone better to finish out the rest of the plot they had in store for his character.
 

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They don't even notice he's terrible. I would have got rid of him quicker, had him killed over drug debts, and then cast someone better to finish out the rest of the plot they had in store for his character.
Actually he got fired after 9 episodes. His two scenes in "the vigil" were shot in advance (in order to have him out on Christmas, like Michael Praed and George Hamilton 2 years later) and this episode was a combination of two different scripts (one written by Michael Russnow and another one written by Dennis Turner).

I would LOVE to have the bible of season 4 because, for some reason, it was a season with a lot of things being thrown away, rewritten, etc like in seasons 6 and 7 (but with more confidence).
 

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And then there's Devil Bus. I cant believe that they actually cast Helmut Berger. Anyone would have been better. It's like they hated Fallon and were punishing her.
Maybe they were punishing her -- Esther was furious that PSM refused to do the hotel spin-off.

Thing is about Berger, I can see willie oleson's point that he's perfect casting from a Eurotrash (the N-word for Continent dwellers) standpoint, but with the show a creative mess already, it's hard to credit it with that. I just recast him with France Benard and call him Count Pierre du Chalon.
 

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The worst with Berger was the same that with McGraw : their characters were seen by other characters as something what they obviously weren't. Alexis was the only one clever enough to see that DeVilbis is "washed-up" and not a dashing playboy and senseful enough to no pray Ashley's "incredible beauty".

If everyone had admited that DeVilbis was a wreck, it would have worked much better. Of course, the only reason why Fallon had started an affair with him would have been because he had supplied her in coke.
 

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Alexis was the only one clever enough to see that DeVilbis is "washed-up" and not a dashing playboy
She could have a dashing young playboy anytime anywhere, and if we have to believe her reputation then she already had been with many, many men (including the football team).
Maybe it was Peter's accent, or a certain je ne sais quoi that she hadn't experienced before.
Why do we need to understand the attraction? If everything has to make sense then you also make it very predictable.
She was offbeat enough to fall in love with Cecil (a replacement for Blake), so why not De Vilbis?
 

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Fallon would've had an affair with DeVilBus just to spite Jeff and Blake. There really didn't need to be a huge explanation about why since she had shown that sort of immature behavior before, especially if she for whatever reason felt trapped in her marriage and with La Garbage.
 

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especially if she for whatever reason felt trapped in her marriage and with La Garbage.
She was divorced by then ! However, she seemed sorry to have slept with Jeff so maybe she thought she should find someone else in order to drive Jeff away and made him focus on his marriage with Kirby ?

Why do we need to understand the attraction? If everything has to make sense then you also make it very predictable.
She was offbeat enough to fall in love with Cecil (a replacement for Blake), so why not De Vilbis?
Cecil was charismatic, even if he was not attractive. And Fallon had daddy issues.
Peter was not charismatic and he looked attractive only when he did not speak.

We need to understand the attraction, even though the attraction is weird. Otherwise it is lazy writing.
 

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She was divorced by then ! However, she seemed sorry to have slept with Jeff so maybe she thought she should find someone else in order to drive Jeff away and made him focus on his marriage with Kirby ?

I honestly barely remember the order things happened in season 4 - that's how little consequence they felt.

But my point was that Fallon had a past in acting out immaturely out of pure spite. Jeff, Blake and everyone else disapproving of DeVilBus would've been motivation enough for her to go after him.
 

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In S4 Fallon was just a shadow of her former self. In germany the dubbing actress for Fallon was changed at the beginning of that season, the new one sadly was much less talented and had a higher and whinier voice. At first i disliked that, but as time went on i realized that is was quite fitting as to where the character was heading too. She was very much on the way to become that whiny victim she was later on "The Colbys", and that's why i never could agree that Fallon was so much different on TC.
It was clearly foreshadowing in S4 and she was on the best way to become exactly what she then was on The Colbys.
But thank god the aliens then implanted that thing into her brain so over some time she could become more witty and interesting again back on Dynasty. :spinning:
 
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In S4 Fallon was just a shadow of her former self. In germany the dubbing actress for Fallon was changed at the beginning of that season, the new one sadly was much less talented and had a higher and whinier voice. At first i disliked that, but as time went on i realized that is was quite fitting as to where the character was heading too. She was very much on the way to become that whiny victim she was later on "The Colbys", and that's why i never could agree that Fallon was so much different on TC.
It was foreshadowing in S4 and she was on the best way to become exactly what she then was on The Colbys.
And thank god the aliens then implanted that thing into her brain so over some time she could become more witty and interesting again back on Dynasty. :spinning:

It was the thought of Adam's dick that broke Fallon mentally. We resolved that on The Colby's. Luckily, the Aliens removed that thought from Fallon's mind. With that, I am of course referring to the thought of Adam's dick.
 

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In S4 Fallon was just a shadow of her former self. In germany the dubbing actress for Fallon was changed at the beginning of that season, the new one sadly was much less talented and had a higher and whinier voice. At first i disliked that, but as time went on i realized that is was quite fitting as th where the character was heading too. She was very much on the way to become that whiny victim she was later on "The Colbys", and that's why i never could agree that Fallon was so much different on TC.
It was foreshadowing in S4 and she was on her way to become exactly what she was on The Colbys.
And thank god the aliens then implanted that thing into her brain so over some time she could become more witty and interesting again back on Dynasty. :spinning:
Well Fallon is certainly less of a character in season 4, but even then she's not the complete and utter victim she is on The Colbys. Imagine if Samms had just always been the way she was in season 9. Nobody would have a problem and maybe The Colbys wouldn't have been cancelled after 2 seasons. Those stupid show runners turning her into Miss Eternal Victim 1985.
 

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It was the thought of Adam's dick that broke Fallon mentally. We resolved that on The Colby's. Luckily, the Aliens removed that thought from Fallon's mind. With that, I am of course referring to the thought of Adam's dick.
Maybe that same thought drove Steven away too! Damn you Adam Carrington!
 

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And she should have stayed with Miles. Because ... as we all know: Jeff was asshole! :D
 
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