Is it racist if I find the old 70's sitcom What's Happening funny?

Jimmy Todd

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I find the old 70's sitcom What's Happening funny?
I read one critic call it one of the "most racially offensive" shows ever on television, especially because there are several overweight characters.
It's a little guilty pleasure of mine because I find it funny, and actually I think many of the characters are positive examples of honest people, regardless of their color. I'm not saying it's the most brilliant show in the world, just that it can be very funny.
In all this current controversy of banning Gone With the Wind, etc. I was just curious to hear the thoughts of people out there.
The way things are today, probably every show out there would be deemed "offensive" by somebody.
 

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The way things are today, probably every show out there would be deemed "offensive" by somebody.

To be able to say anything of any importance, one has to risk offending.

Most people can understand that concept when it's been presented to them, but the idea that there are certain groups of people who, because of their ancestry, we should never risk offending because they're more easily hurt than other groups of people is an idea I find to be incredibly condescending. If I were told that because of my genetic lineage, I'm more vulnerable to being hurt and should be treated especially carefully, I would think that is a monstrous idea! I would resent it terribly.

 
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Ironically, one of the criticisms of the show, that it presented overweight Black characters, would itself be called out today for body shaming.
I see @Kenny Coyote's point because some of the things I have seen lately in the news that politicians and celebrities are doing come off as what they now call "virtue signaling" and blatant jumping on the current bandwagon.
Politicians can wear African scarves and kneel all they want, but how about uniting and making sure all cities have drinkable water, which they do not. That will help more non -white people than a rich politician kneeling.
 

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What's Happening! attempted to be a topical, social-issue sitcom in the vein of the Norman Lear shows, but I felt it came across as in-authentic (if that's a word) because they relied too heavily on 'stock characters' and predictable behaviors/reactions. This was the tail-end of a period when jokes about black stereotypes, fat shaming, and homosexuality were predictable (if cheap) sources of humor. I saw this show in reruns in the mid-1980s and didn't really get into it, though I watched it enough to know who was who and what was happening. It felt so staged--the actors all 'reciting' their lines to one another (waiting for the laughs) rather than acting out the situations and reacting to the scene partner in a natural way. But many 70s sitcoms are guilty of this, of course. The "touchy topics" felt sort of shoe-horned into the episodes in that "very-special-episode" way. As a kid growing up in rural Georgia I didn't really know what life was like in inner-city Los Angeles, but many of the issues were universal.

As for the issue of whether it is racist or not, I don't think it's productive to even go down that path. I'm sure they didn't intend for it to be anything other than funny and/or topical when they produced it. It was made in a time when the networks were embracing African-American representation on sitcoms; sometimes they did a good job, and sometimes it came across as kind of lame (pandering). The show could be a source of 2020 discomfort, for sure, since they went for the low-hanging fruit type jokes that we would not try today. What they found funny in that period might not be funny today, or at least it gets laughs for a different reason. But they did not know then how attitudes would evolve over the succeeding decades. WE don't know what will be considered offensive or anachronistic in thirty years' time. They were trying to examine issues with laughter on a cheaply-produced sitcom--which is sometimes the best way to get people to talk.

If you allow others to dictate what you enjoy, you won't be enjoying much of anything. As you noted earlier,
The way things are today, probably every show out there would be deemed "offensive" by somebody.

….and there's really no rule-book on why you find something funny or not. I think the world will realize someday that 'cancel culture' is hurting more than helping. Rather than helping us get over the problems of the past, they're removing opportunities to discuss the issues and come to better understanding. Removing representations of how we used to behave also removes opportunities to face our past. It creates a fake world where we can pretend those events did not happen. And if people start believing certain unpleasant things didn't happen, then we will end up re-engaging in the same behaviors.

If we never see Dee insulting Rerun over his weight, we don't experience that inner uneasiness that we feel when we see someone being picked on over something they can't control. How will we know that is unacceptable behavior in real life if we never see how it hurts "fake" people? If they keep us from seeing Raj and Dee's mother working menial, domestic jobs because they don't want us to see a black woman stereotypically cast as "the maid," then we don't get to see her portrayal of a struggling, loving mother doing whatever she has to do to keep her children fed, clothed, and out of trouble despite so many things stacked against her. What someone does for a living is not who they are as a person, and seeing that represented in fictional works can only help the rest of the world understand that.
 

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Some people who find themselves raising children are ill-equipped to be parents, for a myriad of reasons. I'm sure most of them do the best they can, but if they never had adequate parental role models of their own, they may not be able to discern whether they're doing the right thing. They're just doing what they saw their parents do.

Like it or not, a lot of today's adults (parents or not) were socialized by television. That's no better (or no worse) than being parented poorly by actual parents, but we have to work with what we have rather than what we wish we had, or what we think is the ideal situation.
 

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Some people who find themselves raising children are ill-equipped to be parents, for a myriad of reasons. I'm sure most of them do the best they can, but if they never had adequate parental role models of their own, they may not be able to discern whether they're doing the right thing. They're just doing what they saw their parents do.

Like it or not, a lot of today's adults (parents or not) were socialized by television. That's no better (or no worse) than being parented poorly by actual parents, but we have to work with what we have rather than what we wish we had, or what we think is the ideal situation.

TV is a non-factor in this. If some people didn't have good parental role models, you could show them hours and hours of Brady Bunch re-reruns, but it won't do any good.

If someone tells they weren't parented and were socialized by TV, ask them: "Who bought the TV? Who allowed you to watch the TV"? Somebody was there. It never has been and never could be a TV show's job to parent a child. A parent's job is to parent. A TV show's job is to make a buck. They do that by entertaining. It is not a parent's primary job to entertain. It's a secondary objective at times, but not a primary.
 
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Well, thankfully not a lot of kids took their social cues from What's Happening!, or else we'd all go around shouting "Ooh, Raj! I'm gonna tell mama!" and imitating his hyena-like laugh.
 

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A parent's job is to parent
If only we could make this world a better place just by thinking that it should be. But reality tells us a different story, and busy parents are more than happy to install their little monsters in front of a TV screen just to get them out of their hair for a few hours.

Maybe you've been watching too many Brady Bunch reruns:lol:
 

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Well, thankfully not a lot of kids took their social cues from What's Happening!, or else we'd all go around shouting "Ooh, Raj! I'm gonna tell mama!" and imitating his hyena-like laugh.

And we'd all walk into rooms saying, "Hey! Hey! Hey!"
Waitresses would say, "You going to order or what, sucka?"
And we'd all be able to do the "Rerun Dance."
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If only we could make this world a better place just by thinking that it should be. But reality tells us a different story, and busy parents are more than happy to install their little monsters in front of a TV screen just to get them out of their hair for a few hours.

Maybe you've been watching too many Brady Bunch reruns:lol:

You can't make yourself a better person by trying to tear other people down. You can say maybe I've been watching too many Brady Bunch re-runs and blah,blah, blah, but it doesn't make you any better and it doesn't diminish what I've accomplished. I feel very good about how my wife and I raised our children and am more than pleased with the young adults they have become. If you felt good about what you've accomplished you wouldn't feel the need to diminish the accomplishments of others.
 

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You can't make yourself a better person by trying to tear other people down. You can say maybe I've been watching too many Brady Bunch re-runs and blah,blah, blah, but it doesn't make you any better and it doesn't diminish what I've accomplished. I feel very good about how my wife and I raised our children and am more than pleased with the young adults they have become. If you felt good about what you've accomplished you wouldn't feel the need to diminish the accomplishments of others.

I think you're missing the point - how things should be rarely matches up with reality; the truth is that there's a lot of lonely children out there turning to various media for a form of comfort. Ideally, that's where their parents should step in, but that's not the reality of the situation. It wasn't a comment on how you raise your children - I just don't think you can assume it's like that for everyone.
 

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I think you're missing the point - how things should be rarely matches up with reality; the truth is that there's a lot of lonely children out there turning to various media for a form of comfort.

My point which was objected to is:

A parent's job is to parent.

Wow, what a controversial statement. Still, someone felt the need to write:

If only we could make this world a better place just by thinking that it should be. But reality tells us a different story, and busy parents are more than happy to install their little monsters in front of a TV screen just to get them out of their hair for a few hours.

Oh, my approach to making the world a better place, where parents actually parent, is by "thinking it should be"? Based on what? What do you know of my family and how we raised our children? Our approach was to be parents who parented their children. We didn't want or need TV to help us parent. It might interest yo to know that for the last 2,020 years, for over 1950 of those years, parents parented without any TV at all in their homes. It's amazing, isn't it?

That you think of children as "monsters" says something about you. That's your cross to bear - not mine. When someone projects his values onto me and says:

But reality tells us a different story, and busy parents are more than happy to install their little monsters in front of a TV screen just to get them out of their hair for a few hours.

As a participant in this thread I say: Reality does not tell "us" a different story. We were busy parents who acted nothing like you described.

@Willie Oleson, if that was your experience, then that was your reality. Don't presume to say what reality tells "us", because as part of this discussion that includes me and if you were to ever speak to any of my children you'd find out that reality did not tell us a different story. Speak of your own experience as a parent if you want but don't presume to know how people you don't even know parented their children.
 
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What's Happening! attempted to be a topical, social-issue sitcom in the vein of the Norman Lear shows,
In fact I saw it as someone's attempt to copy Good Times. From outside the US it seemed innocuous enough at the time but I might feel differently if I saw it now.
 

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The actress who played young Dee (Danielle Spencer, I think her name is) was the biggest scene-stealer of the show, but I read somewhere she grew up to become a dentist.
 
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