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I do regard it as canon, but . . .
. . . inconsistencies abound even within each,
I guess I'd watch it out of curiosity.
Again, I'd watch them out of curiosity.
Forward is always my preference over prequels and midquels.
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I wonder if the aliens who abducted Fallon have anything to do with these universes... or Rick and Morty lol.
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I´m happy to disregard the telemovies and not consider them canon. They were incongruous (JR "shot the mirror" but we didn´t hear it breaking into pieces?), PSA-like (John Ross and Chris as representation of being Un-PC and PC resp.?), miscast (Pamela Rebecca being much taller that her parents?), characters acting out-of-character (Miss Ellie not attending EVEN her son´s funeral, J.R. faking his death), fan-ficcy (Sue Ellen rushing to sleep with him, Cliff thinking he was PR´s dad again).
Actually, the Cider House took the better things from it (J.R. back into action, Bobby wanting to sell Southfork, Cliff as a tycoon, Sue Ellen and John Ross living in Dallas again, Bobby coupled with another woman, and, of course, J.R. orchestrating his own death, now definitive) and then mixed up with the worst trashy ideas she could find (insert here your choices). Also, her cast was so much better than what they did with the Reunions, especially re. Josh Henderson and Julie Gonzalo. I would watch any continuation with these two as John Ross and Rebecca.
Actually, the Cider House took the better things from it (J.R. back into action, Bobby wanting to sell Southfork, Cliff as a tycoon, Sue Ellen and John Ross living in Dallas again, Bobby coupled with another woman, and, of course, J.R. orchestrating his own death, now definitive) and then mixed up with the worst trashy ideas she could find (insert here your choices). Also, her cast was so much better than what they did with the Reunions, especially re. Josh Henderson and Julie Gonzalo. I would watch any continuation with these two as John Ross and Rebecca.
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It's a shame. I felt that TNT Dallas was 1/3 good, 2/3 bad. The two reunion movies didn't bother me. In hindsight a new Dallas series could have worked soon after the 2004 The Return to Southfork television special and when the DVD's of the original series began to be released.
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I thought JR returns was fine until I recently watched it on YouTube. All the things @Toni pointed out above bothered me too.
I've always hated the War of the Ewings. First of, the entire plot was built around Ray still owning his ranch which had LONG been gone.
I hate discounting continuity. Both TV movies did that and the TNT revival did as well.
If they had have done a continuation after Return to Southfork, I think they might have been stuck sticking to the continuity of the TV movies.
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Indeed, summoning my inner Michelle Stevens, "I bought that house in 1991, WHAT THE
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Yeah, in '98 that plot didn't sit well with me.
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I wrote briefly a prequel to my Dallas Reborn fanfic, taking place 1991 to J.R. Returns. In the first episode, Michelle sold the ranch back to Ray.
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They should have explained how Ray got the ranch back in the movie.
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I hope for a good price and that she got a happily ever-after life in your fanfic.
The continuity errors and lackluster writing were major factors in the decline of the Dallas franchise as a whole as I see it.
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The turn this discussion has taken has reminded me of this long-forgotten thread where we mused over what's canon and what's sci-fi.
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I wasn't around back then, but I want to believe everything up to and including the dream season was canon and everything else was sci-fi. Maybe Pam waking up from her dream was really her being kidnapped by Aliens and taken to another dimension with another timeline.
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Perhaps, but there is something comforting about the familiar. The number of eyeballs that tuned in for the premiere of TNT Dallas were there but quickly fell off the following week. In short viewers were keen to revisit the Ewing family but the concept of the continuation was what let it down.
- Having Pamela Rebecca Barnes masquerading as Rebecca Sutter was an insult to old fans.
- JR Ewing collecting dust in a nursing home.
- Cliff Barnes seeking revenge on the Ewing family yet again without a solid back-story as to what tipped him over the edge.
- The Ramos family. As though this family grew up with the Ewing's way back when.
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In mine, Michelle was stolen the house and the fortune by Cliff, who had just bought Ewing Oil. Then he blackmailed a district attorney and her case was re-opened and went to jail for murdering Hillary Taylor. A few years later (actually, in episode 1 or 2 of "Ewing Empire"), she exchanged identities with a fellow prisoner and they faked Michelle´s death, who was buried officially. When the real Michelle got out of prison, she used the identity of her friend and started following James and all the people she considered guilty of what had happened to her... I had a lot of fun with that!
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'll be honest.. The last season of Dallas, and the two reunion movies didn't really do much for me. I hated what they did to Dallas with season 14... The JR, Bobby, James, and to a lesser extent Cliff and Carter McKay show. No thanks. "JR Returns" was ok, but really..Ellie couldn't even mayke it to JR's memorial?? Comc on.
"War Of The Ewings" just sucked.. it just seemed like 90 minutes of nothing.
Yes, they were already messing things up with continuity in the two reunion movies.. doesn't J.R. reference Lucy being married to Mitch in one of the movies? I mean, I suppose we could assume they got back together...yet again, but I think it's more that whoever wrote it just wasn't thinking that hard.Then, yes, you have Ray and his old house again in "WOTE". It seems like there are more errors, but these are all that's coming to mind at the moment.
Now, Nu-Dallas..It was better written, more exciting than the last season of Dallas, and the two reunion movies, but what it did to the Cliff character for one. WTF? Carmen's daughter supposedly growing up with John Ross and Christopher. All Cidre had to do was make her Terressa's daughter. Problem solved, but I doubt she even knew about Terressa,`There were things to like about the new show, but Cidre seemed to have an agenda, and that agenda was not about Dallas, and it showed. Cliff has an adopted son that we just somehow never knew about?? Just so much craziness, that it's insulting to the viewers that knew these characters never would have acted like this,
Still, though, we got one last hoorah, I guess. Unfortunately, though, this last hoorah probably ruined it forever.
"War Of The Ewings" just sucked.. it just seemed like 90 minutes of nothing.
Yes, they were already messing things up with continuity in the two reunion movies.. doesn't J.R. reference Lucy being married to Mitch in one of the movies? I mean, I suppose we could assume they got back together...yet again, but I think it's more that whoever wrote it just wasn't thinking that hard.Then, yes, you have Ray and his old house again in "WOTE". It seems like there are more errors, but these are all that's coming to mind at the moment.
Now, Nu-Dallas..It was better written, more exciting than the last season of Dallas, and the two reunion movies, but what it did to the Cliff character for one. WTF? Carmen's daughter supposedly growing up with John Ross and Christopher. All Cidre had to do was make her Terressa's daughter. Problem solved, but I doubt she even knew about Terressa,`There were things to like about the new show, but Cidre seemed to have an agenda, and that agenda was not about Dallas, and it showed. Cliff has an adopted son that we just somehow never knew about?? Just so much craziness, that it's insulting to the viewers that knew these characters never would have acted like this,
Still, though, we got one last hoorah, I guess. Unfortunately, though, this last hoorah probably ruined it forever.
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I hade the same thought about the Ramos family connection to the Ewings. It would have worked a lot better if they had been related to Teresa. At least Teresa was a character long time.e viewers were familiar with. It would have been a lot more believable that Teresa's kids and grandkids were occasional playmates of the Ewing kids.
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And every time you watch Teresa doing her job or follow instructions in a Classic Dallas rewatch it's because you know JR had conned her husband out of rich oil property. She was supposed to have servants, not be one.
Thanks to this retcon, Classic Dallas kinda dodges that bullet and you won't feel uncomfortable when you watch Teresa setting Miss Ellie's dinner table or decorating Miss Ellie's patio with the obligatory yellow stuff.
I think, if New Dallas had retroactively altered what happened on-screen in Classic Dallas, some of the fans would have hated it even more.
If a retcon has its cake and eat it then it works for me.
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That's a valid point, but I don't think knowing JR cheated Teresa's husband would have made it any more uncomfortable for me to watch her scenes. It kinda would re-enforce what I already believed about the Ewings - none of them were decent people.
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I'll be honest, it has been so long, and I wasn't all that invested in the Ramos family plot even then, so; I somewhat forgot about Carmen's husband being cheated by the Ewings.. Now that it's been brought back to my attention, I can see your point. I think maybe I checked out a little whenever it wasn't JR, John Ross, the Rylands, Sue Ellen, and to a lesser extent, yeah, even Bobby, but I wasn't real fond of this version of Bobby, and especially Ann.
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And that was the beauty of Dallas - how dysfunctional the family was...until outsiders attempted to attack.